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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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this spoke radio

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for

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yeah today's monday october 18th

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2021 290 days into the new year

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only 75 days left

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let's do this

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful

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i can't remember what it was i think it

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charging cable i don't know

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but there was something i was gonna grab

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjccr the game

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changer network and the on x network

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kicking off october 31st i am your host

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jimmy church

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race hobbes

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race hops

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chris hobbs is the man

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i know he's listening right now

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holy crap all right here we go uh yes as

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we've got an amazing week coming up on

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lots and lots and lots to talk about

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kicking it off tonight with rick dodie

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we're going to be discussing skinwalker

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get ready tomorrow night anjali is here

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and she'll be stopping by to give us an

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update on et contact and disclosure

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supposed to be going down in 2021 and

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here we are we're rolling into november

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there's only a few months left

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uh well we've got uh half of october

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that's it so what's going on with all of

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that tomorrow night we will find out

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with anjali

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wednesday night jacques valet is here we

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are going to be discussing in depth

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the new book it is called skin walkers

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at the pentagon

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and more on that in just a bit you knew

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i was going to be discussing that

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tonight and thursday night

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to be talking about ufos and nuclear

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weapons uh tomorrow uh robert salas is

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club i'll be watching that and i'll talk

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about that tomorrow night and that's

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peeping that out with the rest of you

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that goes down tomorrow there is

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all right no fader night taking a fader

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in less than a month in about three

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i will be at the star works usa ufos all

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the above and beyond conference

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it is going down november 12th through

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aquarius hotel and casino i cannot wait

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jacques valet is going to be there who's

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going to be with us on wednesday night

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paul heineck is going to be there grant

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cameron coming in live video he's coming

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in from canada yeah they still got all

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that coveted stuff going down and those

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restrictions between our borders so

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piped in uh colin andrews is going to be

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there jaime moussan is going to be their

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10 other amazing speakers we will be

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doing fade to black live on stage

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on friday night we'll have the fade to

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the fader not it is going to be great i

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want everybody to get your tickets and

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info right now

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the links are below in the video uh

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description box you can click there

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things are over on our social media they

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are everywhere go and get your tickets

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now and i'll see you guys in laughlin

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uh in three short weeks

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november 12th

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through the 14th all right follow me on

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twitter at ken priest

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again that is great

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planes trains and automobiles man

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uh texting and things i'll get into all

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of this in just a minute but texting and

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five texts five different phone calls

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and i was like i will call you when i

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none of that happened

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it was like never gonna get home

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but it was a very successful great fun

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and uh got her done though

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got her done and uh i'll share more with

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everyone about what this weekend was

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about very soon i promise you

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okay all right and nobody knows there's

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no fader knots out there that got the

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secret info nobody knows

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nobody knows nothing so you're not gonna

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be able to call somebody or

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dm somebody so hey man i know that uh

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you talk to church

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what's going on nope

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nope nope nope nope nope nobody knows

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one person and even that you know i

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listening right now they they know

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gender neutral too as well see you don't

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it's not awakening man

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f2b on twitter

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just come and hang out with all of this

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i'm i'm watching what is happening right

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there ken priest that is awesome

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that is uh where'd you get that from

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for you from kara jimmy all right i will

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and uh i will get to that all right

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hashtag f2b on twitter hello to

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everybody watching listening all around

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the world

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archaeologists recently discovered the

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some 435 million years ago the fearsome

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approximately 443 million and 419

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million years ago at this time the

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predators in their underwater stalking

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a bus sized asteroid

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asteroid 2021 tg14 passed by earth at a

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moon orbits at a distance of 239 000

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well you remember that remember those

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hippos pablo escobar

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well a group of hippos an unwanted

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legacy of pablo escobar

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are being sterilized escobar who was

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the cocaine hippos i knew a few of those

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and that's a whole nother show since

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a growing population has been taken over

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the colombian government has so far

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with no natural predators in south

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now the ocean cleanup

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which has been developing a system

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that's the name of the company

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cleanup has been developing a system to

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help clean up the great pacific

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you've seen the pictures of it

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right took its first large scale cleanup

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system called the system002 or jenny to

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the pacific they conducted a series of

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tests over the course of the last 12

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weeks each consisting of the system

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being taken offshore to safely gather

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plastic from the ocean the organization

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completed its final test of the system

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last week and on thursday the ocean

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9 000 kilograms or more than 19

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that's a lot of tonnage and good for

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them let's get to show crack and happy

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birthday to today

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the one and

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only jean-claude van damme

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is 61 years old he did a tv series it

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it was great

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he should have kept it up came out a

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couple of years ago i think it was

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called like i am jean-claude van damme

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something like that plays a spy plays

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himself playing a spy and it's it was

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just a great series i i loved it

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but uh only one series jean-claude today

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is 61. and the legend

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bassist billy cox

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that's right jimi hendrix today is 82.

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our dead guy's birthday today is and

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this is for naptown this is for

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everybody in indianapolis indiana

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gary richrath

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1949 to 2015 died at the age of 65. when

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i was growing up

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uh you know you had your eddie van halen

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you had your richie blackmore your jimmy

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page

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you know you had all you know tony iom

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he had all that stuff that was going on

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but gary richrath was in that

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conversation man he just was

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gary was the lead guitarist and

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songwriter for

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reo speedwagon from 1970 until

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1989.

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gary played on all of their greatest

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albums and hits including one of the

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greatest live albums of all time right

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up there with like fog hat live

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uh frampton comes alive you know right

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up there

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live you get what you play for ariel

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speedwagon's live album riding the storm

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out on that

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you can tune a piano but you can't tune

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a fish you remember that and how about

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high infidelity with all of those

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romance ballads

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well gary died on september 13 2015

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after he went to the hospital for

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stomach pains

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there were complications

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and he just didn't make it back home

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unbelievable happy birthday gary richard

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there are people right now in

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indianapolis like gary that's right

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church has got that right gary rich

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wrath

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man he had that vibrato man that that

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that that fanning

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the les paul the cherry sunburst les

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paul the flowing locks the grace

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gary richroth on this day in history otd

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1867

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the united states formerly takes

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possession of

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that's right

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oh man i got got my phone is not muted

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it's muted now

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alaska

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after purchasing the territory from

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russia

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for point two million dollars

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or less than two cents an acre

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yeah

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matt can you imagine a fresher didn't

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say that that was russia

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fader fact

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all right here you go all right now

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listen to me listen to me close

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all right i'm not going to stutter

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it's unbelievable at least to me

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italy

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france

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and brazil

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right italian coffee french coffee

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french press french roast

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right italy espresso brazil home of the

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coffee bean right

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italy france and brazil are not in the

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top 10 highest consumers of coffee

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you think it'd be one two three right

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who's number one

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finland

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i'm gonna leave that right there i'm

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gonna just i'm just gonna drop that on

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the table and leave that right there

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tonight very special guest

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rick dodie joins us we're gonna talk

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about skinwalker ranch in the asap

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program

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get ready tomorrow night anjali is back

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she's here to give us an update on et

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contact and disclosure

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in 2021 wednesday night jacques valet

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jacques valen talking about that new

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book everybody's talking about it

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skinwalkers at the pentagon thursday

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night

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linda moulton howe

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nuclear weapons and ufos

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what a great week here on fade to black

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no fader night this week so no phone

386
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calls on thursday night i'm just going

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to shut the phone system down you know

388
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and i know that there's people out there

389
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that are going hey man is linda taking

390
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,919
calls is jimmy taking calls tonight i

391
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got a ghost story you know i got this

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thing that happened with me and my dad

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back in 1982. no no no no phone calls

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no fader night this week it's all linda

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all right

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let's see per capita oh is that it is

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that the graph

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is that it is that it right there

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finland number one

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sweden number two

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is that right where's the united states

402
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on that list

403
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i don't even

404
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:14,720
united states is that on that list

405
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there it is right there sweden norway

406
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iceland denmark

407
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yeah makes a lot of sense well they're

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cold you know they're cold and they're

409
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smart those are all smart countries they

410
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understand what's going on

411
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yeah and they're all drinking

412
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you know one of the things about being

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on a road trip

414
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is uh

415
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what what what what what's going on here

416
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icloud

417
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man okay all right

418
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being on a road trip no fade to black

419
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blend

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and i made the mistake normally what i

421
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,440
do this is what i do i really do this

422
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,880
i'll take a french press put in my

423
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suitcase fade to black blend grind the

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beans up pop it in throw that in the

425
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suitcase i got a french press i've got

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the coffee i know that i get to a hotel

427
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room they're going to have a coffee

428
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,880
maker you just heat up the coffee then

429
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:17,200
pour that or heat up the water and then

430
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,559
pour that in the french press you got

431
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coffee in the morning i didn't do it

432
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my fault i was racing home last night i

433
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paid the black blend

434
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hey to blackbland

435
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yeah

436
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rivermoonwellness.com

437
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go all the links there at

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get shipping the coffee to finland i

439
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,310
know right

440
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,720
[Laughter]

441
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,960
lisa reid just said hey i'm finished too

442
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are you really i kind of suspected that

443
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:52,320
lisa

444
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,470
that's right everybody wants to meet

445
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:01,760
lisa you're going to meet lisa and

446
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,640
laughlin it's going to be great

447
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,240
she doesn't know but lisa is going to be

448
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,320
working uh the fade to black blue booth

449
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:10,000
if she thinks she's gonna be

450
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,440
down there on the slot machines ain't

451
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,440
gonna happen nah

452
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,880
she's gonna be pimping them fade to

453
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,640
black t-shirts

454
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:19,039
all right so um i just got back from

455
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:20,480
this little business trip over the

456
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:21,520
weekend

457
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,720
and when i woke up saturday morning

458
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,880
my phone was blowing up

459
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,880
i mean like out of control

460
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,840
and it woke me up i had my alarm uh

461
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,000
going and i thought everything was cool

462
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,200
and just the text started coming in

463
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,320
email

464
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,919
you know all of this stuff

465
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,400
string of text uh from uh various

466
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,640
contacts and then the phone call started

467
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,640
with things like hey man have you read

468
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,400
the book yet i'm like what dude i

469
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,400
haven't even i need some coffee what's

470
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,279
going on have you read the book yet

471
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,880
you know hold on man i'll call you back

472
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,279
phone rings again you know dude have you

473
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,520
read the book this is this is this is

474
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,159
bigger than anything ever it's like what

475
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:05,120
is going on i've read it twice now

476
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,200
oh man what is going on well

477
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,679
the rising drama is over the recently

478
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,159
published book happened on october 10th

479
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,559
by the way my birthday no less skin

480
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,960
walkers at the pentagon an insider's

481
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:21,039
account of the secret government ufo

482
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,440
program by james lakotsky colm kelleher

483
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,440
and george knapp

484
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,919
now for total transparency i haven't

485
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,400
read the book i'm going to say that 15

486
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,960
times in the next 10 minutes i haven't

487
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,919
read the book my copy will be delivered

488
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,360
tomorrow

489
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360
so everything i know about it has been

490
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,200
from someone who has read it or the

491
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,400
comments about it on social media one

492
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,240
thing is for sure

493
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,240
it has had an immediate impact on our

494
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,520
community and a pretty divided ufo world

495
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,640
has now been once again flipped over

496
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:57,600
diced

497
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,840
and

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00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,200
redivided one thing that i have noticed

499
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,240
and i have no idea until i read the book

500
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:05,919
myself

501
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,960
is that so many have come to some pretty

502
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,919
crazy conclusion so quickly

503
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,559
is it possible that everyone has already

504
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,200
read the book probably not or is the

505
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,440
drama just from reactions to social

506
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,720
media

507
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,080
probably

508
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:24,159
some of it for sure

509
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:24,960
but

510
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,000
once i read skin walkers i'll be able to

511
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,840
hopefully start to sort things out but

512
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,039
i've all

513
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,120
i've i've read everything

514
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,000
on on the internet in the the soap opera

515
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,679
thing that is going on

516
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:43,840
things like you know knapp has thrown

517
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,200
elizondo under the bus

518
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:50,480
nap has thrown harry reid under the bus

519
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,400
that awsap was the real ufo program that

520
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:58,320
atip wasn't real atip wasn't funded

521
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,440
the money went to osap that elizondo was

522
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:04,240
a hobbyist working on his own

523
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,200
right

524
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,080
that assap was military funding not

525
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,480
congress which completely throws harry

526
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,799
reid under the bus and that all of you

527
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,919
know

528
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,400
all of this is pretty heady it's heady

529
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,360
stuff

530
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,279
you know and and all of it considering

531
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,279
what we've been told by nap reid

532
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,480
elizondo ttsa melon

533
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,799
and everybody else over the last four

534
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,400
years and that includes the new york

535
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,200
times fox news 60 minutes and of course

536
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,320
leslie kane and ralph blumenthal

537
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,640
now again i haven't read the book

538
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,480
and i think that all of these

539
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,640
conclusions are pretty fantastical by

540
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,919
any measure

541
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,320
but there is an entire site of the

542
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,480
internet that has pushed all of their

543
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,440
chips

544
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,159
in on the exact opposite of what is

545
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,960
being said right now

546
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,720
and i would have to think that maybe

547
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,039
everyone who is stating these things or

548
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,600
not interpreting the book correctly or

549
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,840
basing it on gossip or you know i don't

550
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,440
know i don't know

551
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,799
something just doesn't feel quite right

552
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,919
or

553
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,000
is all of the drama based on what the

554
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:12,960
book actually says

555
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,919
right i don't know how can so many have

556
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,679
it so wrong

557
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,679
again i'll find out after i read the

558
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
pages probably twice

559
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,240
right i need to do all of this before i

560
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,200
can start to see through the smoke but

561
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,960
i know what some of you are thinking

562
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,640
right now and i get it you guys are all

563
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,559
going jimmy man why don't you just call

564
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,039
lou well it's a great question

565
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,120
and i did call lou

566
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:39,440
and i spoke with him at length yesterday

567
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,399
but

568
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,720
he hasn't read the book either

569
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,799
and honestly our conversations are

570
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:46,320
always private and they will stay that

571
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,120
way

572
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,159
so about lou i have no comment and our

573
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,720
conversation yesterday has no bearing on

574
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:55,120
anything that i'm saying right now plus

575
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,159
again

576
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,559
i haven't read the book

577
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,240
and i know that i keep saying that over

578
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,799
and over again but i can't base

579
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,000
everything

580
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,520
on the social media soap opera

581
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:09,039
but there's just one thing that i can't

582
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,640
get out of my head and that is this

583
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,480
what if all of this is just a bunch of

584
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,000
disinformation

585
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,840
not only the book

586
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,000
if the quoted statements are true

587
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:22,320
but the twitter and facebook posts what

588
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,559
if this is a big planned psyop

589
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,640
think about that

590
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,320
you all have the public statements from

591
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,039
the pentagon susan goff over the years

592
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,039
and you know everybody attacked those

593
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,840
statements and and now

594
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,000
she was telling the truth

595
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,080
you know it's like holy crap

596
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,000
not that she was or wasn't that's not

597
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,399
the point the point is that there were

598
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,240
hundreds of thousands that took the

599
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,679
sides in that mess specifically about

600
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,240
elizondo and atip and the release of the

601
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,159
three videos and well on and on and on

602
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,720
you get it now all of those who were

603
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,440
tearing her apart now have to face the

604
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,760
reality that they have to take sides

605
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,320
once again and those sides are on the

606
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,440
other side of the fence

607
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,000
and that also includes you know the nap

608
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,200
and corbell supporters and de long and

609
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,640
ttsa

610
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,120
and i have to say all of this is getting

611
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:21,840
really stinky and smells of

612
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,279
some counter intel sayab bs

613
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,000
right now everybody's mind emotions and

614
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,200
heads are on a swivel and i have to say

615
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,640
well played

616
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,720
whoever is doing it

617
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,120
all of this is happening after the uap

618
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
task force report congress and the

619
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,360
senate intelligence committee the new

620
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:44,720
intelligence budget all based on atip

621
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,159
chris mellon and lou elizondo this is

622
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,240
uber crazy stuff and it's going down

623
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,960
right now so look i'll read the book and

624
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,399
i'll form an opinion

625
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,960
i'll draw my own conclusions and i'll be

626
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,679
able to ask the right questions to get

627
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:02,320
the real answers but one thing is for

628
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,200
sure

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00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,279
there is never a dull moment in the ufo

630
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,559
community it is truly the gift that

631
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keeps on giving

632
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,080
yeah

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:17,679
tonight rick dodi is here is this a

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psyop awesome skin walker the book

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00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,360
twitter everything you know what

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i have the ability to pick up the phone

639
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,840
and get to the right people and if we're

640
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,000
talking about counter intelligence a

641
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,880
psyop and is this real there's only one

642
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,240
person to bring on the show and ask

643
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,200
those questions that's rick dodie called

644
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,120
rick yesterday i said hey rick because

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you're calling about the book i said do

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so tonight rick dodie is here tomorrow

647
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night on julie wednesday night jack

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valet thursday night linda moulton howe

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i'm your host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and

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fade to black

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is not

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[Music]

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00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:22,580
radio

746
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,550
all right welcome back fade to black i

747
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,079
am your host jimmy church big week on

748
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,320
fade to black tonight rick dodi is here

749
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,200
tomorrow night anjali wednesday night

750
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,000
jacques vale and thursday night linda

751
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,280
moulton howe

752
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,119
and uh somebody pinch me that's a great

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week i mean they're always great weeks

754
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:55,760
they really are but yeah pretty pretty

755
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,880
cool week coming up tonight rick dodie

756
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,400
joins us we're going to be discussing

757
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,640
the recent revelations about skinwalker

758
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,359
ranch the dod involvement in funding

759
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,320
bass asap mufon and the possibility of a

760
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,800
massive disinformation program that is

761
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,800
being run right now by our government or

762
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
somebody pulling some strings rick was

763
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,640
born in new york state but grew up in a

764
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,160
military family and then served his

765
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,320
country in the united states air force

766
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,320
he was hired by the air force office of

767
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:24,160
special investigation after attending

768
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,430
something in my throat and that's why i

769
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:34,720
drink

770
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,950
wait a minute

771
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,760
defense intelligence agency

772
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,599
cia

773
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,680
yeah rick dodie's all that richard

774
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,599
served at kirtland air force base as a

775
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,160
counterintelligence officer he saw duty

776
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,839
in nevada test site air force test

777
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,640
center detachment 3 groom lake nevada he

778
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,200
investigated the coyote canyon

779
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,599
ufo sighting on kirtland air force base

780
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,240
and of course the paul benowitz incident

781
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,720
he was also assigned to the afosi

782
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,599
european headquarters wiesbaden germany

783
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,160
as a counter espionage agent

784
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,760
everybody at wiesbaden is

785
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,720
counterintelligence by the way he wasn't

786
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,800
the only one richard was assigned to the

787
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,640
air force reserve unit later was

788
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,599
employed by the state of new mexico

789
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,280
and uh he also worked for the institute

790
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,359
of advanced studies which was directed

791
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,200
by dr hal put off today he's retired so

792
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,119
he says and i would like to welcome back

793
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,440
to fade to black rick doty rick good

794
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,240
evening young man how you doing

795
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,320
great jimmy great to be at your show

796
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,599
it's uh

797
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,480
the ufo community man it is truly the

798
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,040
gift that keeps on giving rick it's a

799
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:49,359
never dull moment around here

800
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,880
and uh it's so funny as as things

801
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,240
started to

802
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,640
unravel and develop over the past few

803
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,839
days

804
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,800
uh

805
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,760
i thought

806
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:01,920
who do i call who do i call that knows

807
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:05,839
all about the dark world

808
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,920
of counter intelligence and espionage

809
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,160
and the government and how these things

810
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,480
go down but rick dote and

811
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,960
and it's pretty cool that i have you you

812
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,800
know on speed dial and here we are

813
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,920
tonight did you uh did you see these

814
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,440
kind of things

815
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,560
uh

816
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,119
brewing did you feel this over the last

817
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,680
few years

818
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,880
absolutely yeah ever since i uh

819
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,800
go i went to work for the institute for

820
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,560
advanced studies

821
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,359
uh back in 1994

822
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:42,560
uh with at dr puthoff's laboratory in in

823
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:44,839
austin texas

824
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:48,400
um i felt a

825
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,599
a growling within the government

826
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,280
of of

827
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,280
some type of program

828
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,520
that was going to be developed

829
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,400
um

830
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,920
we call them within intelligence

831
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,400
community parallel programs one public

832
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,359
and one

833
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,720
secretive they run parallel

834
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:07,839
the

835
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,480
but not all of it

836
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,599
they run it

837
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,359
for a number of different information

838
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,480
reasons

839
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,599
and

840
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:21,359
this uh

841
00:39:27,090 --> 00:39:25,040
atep um

842
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,100
and um

843
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,960
[Music]

844
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,200
program that is that was run within the

845
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,560
pentagon

846
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,200
sometime around 2012 or so

847
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,839
i felt that when it came public although

848
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,800
some of us knew about it before uh when

849
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,440
it became public i felt that there was a

850
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,560
um

851
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:45,440
a

852
00:40:05,910 --> 00:39:59,119
you

853
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,920
pentagon

854
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,800
yes

855
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,920
and

856
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,720
have you finished the book

857
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,280
no i have not okay i've i've gone

858
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,880
through

859
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,200
uh three chapters and then i've uh

860
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,839
leafed through and read certain parts of

861
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,839
of of the book but no i haven't finished

862
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,040
it yet now uh we're going to get to all

863
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,880
of that uh what you have read um but you

864
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,480
have also

865
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,280
i'm i'm certain uh that you've seen the

866
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,160
dust up that is uh that is social media

867
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,119
right now you've been following that

868
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,920
oh absolutely i've gotten

869
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:44,079
literally hundreds of emails

870
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,839
uh from people uh twitter uh

871
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,040
facebook

872
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,839
messages uh regarding

873
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,200
regarding the book

874
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,640
and and and

875
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,640
people's analysis of the book what they

876
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,839
think of the book

877
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,280
and what they think of some of the

878
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:00,880
people who read the whole book and they

879
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,160
have more of an an analytical uh opinion

880
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,839
of it than i do because i haven't read

881
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,960
the whole book

882
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,200
but they have a lot there's there's

883
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,440
a lot of opinions out there and there's

884
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,240
so a little a lot of question marks big

885
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,760
question marks about

886
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:17,200
uh the book

887
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:18,240
the uh

888
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,200
i mean it was out of the gate

889
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,599
napped through elizondo under the bus

890
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:28,319
and that my reaction he did not oh yes

891
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,000
he did he did not there's no way

892
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,560
you're you're reading it wrong no no i'm

893
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,839
telling you

894
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:36,880
and

895
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,880
i i find all of this very

896
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,720
fantastical is the wrong word because

897
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,560
that means you're a fan of something but

898
00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:49,520
you know the the derivative of that is

899
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,640
unbelievable right it's it's almost

900
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:53,200
unbelievable

901
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,240
but to

902
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,480
you've read some of these statements

903
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,800
right that knapp has thrown elizondo

904
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:00,720
under the bus you've you've seen this

905
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,319
repeatedly right yes yes yes and harry

906
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,680
reid and

907
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,640
and others yes yes yes i have

908
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,960
can can everybody be reading this the

909
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,920
wrong way i mean how does everybody just

910
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,160
come to the wrong conclusion or are they

911
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,150
i think time will tell but uh

912
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,880
i think they've leaped from uh

913
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,960
one platform to another

914
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,079
um

915
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,839
without uh without a lot of uh

916
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,000
analysis well let me let me put it this

917
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,040
way um i don't know lou

918
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,920
elizondo i've read a lot about him i had

919
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,480
a chance to meet him he was in a another

920
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,160
room and i didn't um i actually have met

921
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:47,760
harry reid

922
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,920
um i know george knapp very very well

923
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,040
um

924
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,000
there's a lot of conjecture

925
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,480
that people are telling me because again

926
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,720
i haven't read the entire book

927
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,640
but there's a lot of conjecture that

928
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,160
people are telling me

929
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,160
about the book and

930
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,520
and

931
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,359
there's there's a person that just sent

932
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,720
me an email not

933
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,040
20 minutes ago 30 minutes ago that says

934
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,440
exactly the same thing you said is uh

935
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,920
you read this book you're gonna find out

936
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,280
that uh

937
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:21,040
the the authors

938
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:21,920
threw

939
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,349
and this is uh

940
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,440
this is why i feel that this is

941
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,880
important

942
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,000
um

943
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:36,000
there is

944
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,240
so many moving parts to this story and

945
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,480
it is of course the statements that

946
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:44,880
harry reid has made about atip and lou

947
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,839
elizondo and of course the the now

948
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:50,800
uh famous letter uh that harry reid

949
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,720
wrote for lou elizondo there's that and

950
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,319
and i think that was probably

951
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,640
distributed by george knapp

952
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,000
and we have everything that susan gough

953
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,760
of the pentagon

954
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,079
and all of her statements that were

955
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,119
contradicting lose statements and end

956
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:11,760
nap statements and ttsas

957
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,440
about ata about atip and what what lou

958
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:17,920
did or didn't do for the program

959
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:21,520
and and the blow up that that had in in

960
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,280
social media and of course the funding

961
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,280
that came from congress that was pushed

962
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,040
through by harry reid

963
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,839
and the book seems to contradict all of

964
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
this but this is what we have been fed

965
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,200
uh over the years and now

966
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,400
is susan goff was she correct

967
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,800
now and and all of the supporters and

968
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,720
this is where the disinformation part

969
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:45,680
comes

970
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,520
all of those supporters that were on one

971
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,160
side are now forced into

972
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,000
flipping

973
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,960
right they have to flip-flop now

974
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:58,079
and

975
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:02,640
may not be used to doing that

976
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,280
and that's that's so many moving parts

977
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,520
well um if i was gonna run a

978
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,839
disinformation or a counterintelligence

979
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:13,040
program

980
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,160
um

981
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,400
i this this would have been a a pretty

982
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,000
good one to run uh with except exception

983
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,960
of the ending i think that if you look

984
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,359
really carefully and especially people

985
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,599
from within within

986
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,920
the government or within the inside i

987
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,839
used to be on the inside and a lot of

988
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,079
people still say i still work for the

989
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,079
government but

990
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,920
the intelligence officers i spoke to

991
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,319
that looking from the inside out

992
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,920
are saying exactly the same thing that

993
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,960
you're saying

994
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,520
why is the government saying one thing

995
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,480
one day

996
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,560
and turn around the next day and says

997
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,640
something else and then

998
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,480
the third day provide

999
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,280
information which may be disinformation

1000
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,319
to um an author to write a book about

1001
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,240
something that we don't know that's

1002
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,560
whether it's factual or whether it's

1003
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,000
disinformation so you put an enigma

1004
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,440
within this thing

1005
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,079
uh within a different disinformation

1006
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,960
campaign and it confuses

1007
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,359
the public and i don't know if that's

1008
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,440
what they were trying to do on this

1009
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,000
uh but there's a lot of uh

1010
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,560
parts in this that just doesn't fit

1011
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,480
and you you named them right there yeah

1012
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,200
yeah yeah absolutely and and that's just

1013
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:29,119
the tip of the iceberg if we start to

1014
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,040
unravel this and just go piece for peace

1015
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,280
in a linear sense through the dating of

1016
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:36,880
all of this

1017
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,839
it is a flip-flop on a flip-flop on a

1018
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,520
flip-flop and now most of the community

1019
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,200
if you're following this or if you're a

1020
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,400
media outlet your head's on a swivel

1021
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,200
you don't know now uh what was the truth

1022
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:52,960
and what wasn't

1023
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,319
and if if there's a conclusion to this

1024
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,280
it's

1025
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,640
well played

1026
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:01,359
right well done

1027
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:05,680
objective was met

1028
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,839
yes yes now uh uh let's back up and

1029
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,880
examine another aspect of this

1030
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,960
uh and we'll we'll

1031
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,240
dive much deeper after the break

1032
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,160
i was pretty surprised to see the

1033
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:25,680
reaction in social media that i did not

1034
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,359
only those that are creating the post

1035
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:31,520
right on one side or the other

1036
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,200
but the reactions underneath that

1037
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,640
i don't know who's posting and if they

1038
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,640
are even real

1039
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,319
right could this all be part of a

1040
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:47,359
disinformation campaign to just

1041
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,520
stoke the stoke the coals in this fire

1042
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:52,400
very

1043
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,040
you know there's a that's a good way

1044
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,800
back in my days we didn't have a social

1045
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,839
media

1046
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,240
but nowadays it's very easy to spread

1047
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,920
disinformation

1048
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,200
just just by one person or one website

1049
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,079
because people will grasp on to that

1050
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,839
and they'll make their own opinion and

1051
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:13,119
post

1052
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,480
or or that social media and then other

1053
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,119
people will jump on that piggyback on it

1054
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,240
and you know before a day is out there's

1055
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,920
a thousand different opinions being

1056
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,240
spread around social media

1057
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,240
the um

1058
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,520
uh

1059
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,359
the speed

1060
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,680
of the way that this got launched

1061
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,720
because

1062
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,480
there wasn't a whole lot of publicity

1063
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,480
behind this book it was launched on

1064
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,160
october 10th it happened to be my

1065
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:43,839
birthday by the way

1066
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,119
so i was pretty busy on on that saturday

1067
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,920
and sunday uh last weekend but that

1068
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,119
being said

1069
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:54,480
in a week look at what has happened it

1070
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,680
seems to be a pretty effective

1071
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,599
everybody's buying this book now i

1072
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,640
guarantee you that everybody jumped on

1073
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,280
amazon uh over the weekend and certainly

1074
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,359
probably during this broadcast

1075
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,839
and are ordering the book now pretty

1076
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,240
pretty astonishing

1077
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,599
yes i agree i agree it's going to be a

1078
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,000
a bestseller in no time and

1079
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,839
you know i'm just interested in

1080
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,920
interested to see what others

1081
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,160
just a layperson that's interested in

1082
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:25,680
the subject but don't know a lot about

1083
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,400
it

1084
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,000
that they buy this book and they read

1085
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,559
into it what's their opinion of of the

1086
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,319
phenomena will be after they read the

1087
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,200
book now uh uh let's jump back for a

1088
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:38,400
second and uh and if we go back and

1089
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,480
examine uh bass and bigelow and asap

1090
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,280
and the genesis of all of that

1091
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,839
what is very interesting here let's not

1092
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,440
lose sight of this

1093
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,559
is j.j abrams just did that four-part

1094
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,040
series ufo on showtime

1095
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,920
and in episode three i believe it was

1096
00:50:00,950 --> 00:50:00,000
epi episode three

1097
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,960
um

1098
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,839
they specifically the director of mufon

1099
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,440
at that time i'll think of his name here

1100
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,319
in his

1101
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,400
in a second you may remember he was only

1102
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:10,559
there for like a year a year and a half

1103
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,440
uh

1104
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,839
right before jan harzan was brought in

1105
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,240
um but he said he goes out to him this

1106
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,720
is when a bigelow wants to invest in the

1107
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:21,839
mufon right felt a little spooky

1108
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,680
and and he goes out to uh bigelow um and

1109
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,599
meets with everybody from bass i believe

1110
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,520
hal put off was there

1111
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,920
um uh and some others but he said that

1112
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,520
there were some military types there

1113
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,160
again i'm paraphrasing i'm not quoting

1114
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,920
directly but one of the things that he

1115
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,880
did

1116
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,359
say in this documentary which is

1117
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,440
astonishing considering

1118
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,079
this book is out now saying basically

1119
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,520
what he said

1120
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,800
and i think a lot of people were taken

1121
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,640
aback by his statements he said he went

1122
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,720
right at robert bigelow and said hey

1123
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,640
where's this money coming from

1124
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,480
who's your secret investor is this

1125
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,640
military money that's going to be coming

1126
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,640
in what's going on what's funding bass

1127
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:02,559
what you know how is this

1128
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:03,280
and

1129
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
in fact he never really said where the

1130
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:11,040
money was coming from

1131
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:14,480
well now this book apparently i haven't

1132
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:15,440
read it

1133
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,040
says that that 22 million went to osap

1134
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,079
it didn't go to atip that atip was

1135
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,599
unfunded and the real ufo research

1136
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,599
was asap

1137
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,920
and that was basically what was said in

1138
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,640
episode three that nobody really bought

1139
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,920
into

1140
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,960
uh you know it was too sensational and

1141
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,920
here we have this book coming out again

1142
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,240
in in direct contrast to everything that

1143
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,920
we have been told over the last three or

1144
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:45,920
four years

1145
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,319
yes yes yes uh

1146
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:50,880
well let me go back a little bit um

1147
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,480
when in 1994 when i was hired by dr put

1148
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,680
off at the institute for advanced

1149
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,599
studies in austin

1150
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,319
um he had a number of contracts and a

1151
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,559
number of things that hal was doing

1152
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:04,480
uh but hal was in

1153
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:05,200
uh

1154
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:09,839
prior proprietary information away but

1155
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,920
um how was in um in contacts with

1156
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,839
robert bigelow back then

1157
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,760
and um

1158
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,680
i was a i was hired as a field

1159
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,359
investigator for

1160
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,680
dr put off i worked directly for dr put

1161
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:25,680
off i didn't work for any of the other

1162
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,280
scientists in the laboratory

1163
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,079
but hal also had a what i can say a

1164
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,599
darpa contract

1165
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,800
now for people out there don't know what

1166
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,760
darpa is darpa's defense advance

1167
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,000
a research project agency

1168
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,160
it's a it's a government agency that

1169
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,599
handles all

1170
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,400
high level highly classified projects

1171
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,240
for the department of defense

1172
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,319
darpa doesn't do anything itself they go

1173
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,760
out and contract other laboratories or

1174
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,079
other entities to do the work for him

1175
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,319
and one of the one of the contracts that

1176
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,400
hal had was through darpa

1177
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,400
my job was to go out in the field i

1178
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,000
traveled all over the world

1179
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,520
gathered information gathered

1180
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,720
intelligence

1181
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,520
for dr put off bring it back let them

1182
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,839
analyze it in the laboratories

1183
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:13,920
one of the things we did was we went to

1184
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,359
skinwalker ranch back in the 90s

1185
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,079
we met with the people at skinwalker we

1186
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,960
uh set up cameras did everything what

1187
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,720
people are doing today we did this back

1188
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:25,599
when

1189
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,440
bigelow

1190
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:32,880
uh but that was the ned's

1191
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,720
portion of of of this investigation some

1192
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,480
of the information that we were doing

1193
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,800
that we gathered went to knits

1194
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:42,559
and then some of it went to another

1195
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:43,760
agency

1196
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:49,119
and

1197
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,000
so

1198
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,280
jump from there 1994 and i worked right

1199
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,559
up until 2007 for dr put off

1200
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,559
jump up till today

1201
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,400
a lot of the information and i'm seeing

1202
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:03,520
a lot of the material that is being uh

1203
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,319
that

1204
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,160
was put out in this book

1205
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,240
uh came from

1206
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,960
our research back then i mean we did a

1207
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:13,920
lot of research not just there at the

1208
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,359
skinwalker ranch but but other locations

1209
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,119
and uh that that it included um

1210
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,920
anti-gravity psychic research fusion

1211
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,400
research

1212
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,680
cloaking

1213
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,599
invisibility

1214
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,960
studies

1215
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,280
even time travel

1216
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,480
a lot of this stuff is now appearing

1217
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,799
today now i'm not saying i was involved

1218
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,520
in any of any of what's occurring today

1219
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,640
there are some uh innuendoes about me

1220
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,160
being in this book an unnamed

1221
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:48,720
intelligence officer a lot of the that i

1222
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,760
can connect to me or or another or

1223
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,839
another entity

1224
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,160
so a lot of the information that is

1225
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,920
being

1226
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:00,240
published in this book

1227
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:09,589
and uh

1228
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,680
when you were uh working for hal

1229
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,400
were there discussions about ossap and

1230
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,440
what the program was

1231
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,119
yeah uh

1232
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,760
they had it had different names uh they

1233
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,760
you know that now i had it's the

1234
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,960
advanced aerospace weapon systems

1235
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,680
applications program at one time it was

1236
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,359
the advanced

1237
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,599
aerospace

1238
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,599
dynamics

1239
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,160
something program

1240
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,839
the air force had a

1241
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,000
another entity called

1242
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,359
within the air force scientific research

1243
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,559
agency

1244
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,960
they had something exactly similar to

1245
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,000
that

1246
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,480
but all this information was going from

1247
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,599
the field

1248
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,599
field investigators

1249
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,309
the uh the other part of this

1250
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:05,680
um

1251
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,119
is the ufo connection to ossap

1252
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:10,480
and

1253
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:11,280
i

1254
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,799
back before they were even released to

1255
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:22,000
the public

1256
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,960
and

1257
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:23,839
i

1258
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,280
went page by page

1259
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:35,680
and there was no there wasn't anything

1260
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,200
ufo related in in any of that

1261
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,359
and now richard said well

1262
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,200
it depends on how you want to read this

1263
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,040
well i said i'm looking for the words

1264
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:47,200
e.t or ufo or

1265
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,720
or anything like that

1266
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,960
there wasn't anything in ossep about

1267
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,520
that now this book is saying that asap

1268
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,720
was all about the ufo program

1269
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:58,960
do you remember that when when you were

1270
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,480
working with uh dr put off

1271
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,240
yes there was parts of it there's

1272
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,760
there's uh

1273
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,079
i think six different parts

1274
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,119
of uh of of the of the advanced

1275
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,079
aerospace weapons systems uh application

1276
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,960
program and um

1277
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,319
four of them

1278
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,079
four of the parts that you probably read

1279
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,920
were all unclassified

1280
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:23,680
then there was two that was classified

1281
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,480
one it was classified just secret and

1282
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,359
with

1283
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,359
uh i think i i'm not sure it had a

1284
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:32,000
caveat or not but the last part the six

1285
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,280
part six

1286
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,680
was top secret with a special access

1287
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:38,720
program you had to have a special uh

1288
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,920
security clearance that one not not the

1289
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,599
other five even the secret program

1290
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,680
didn't mention much about

1291
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:46,559
uh

1292
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,880
about other exotic technologies such as

1293
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:54,480
time travel

1294
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,079
invisibility cloaking techniques used

1295
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,720
scientific formulas for that

1296
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,599
this the sixth and final one

1297
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,079
that's the bingo one that's when you

1298
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:08,160
read it and say bingo everything's in

1299
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,960
this

1300
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,880
it had a number of different chapters

1301
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,240
pertained to

1302
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,160
et technology

1303
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,520
reverse engineering of et technologies

1304
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:18,799
um

1305
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:22,480
investigations of of of crash retrieval

1306
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,599
objects

1307
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,319
uh and it wasn't just the united states

1308
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,280
it was all over the world they had uh

1309
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,280
investigators and i wasn't one of them

1310
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,079
but they had investigators that that

1311
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,160
where it was able to obtain information

1312
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:37,599
from inside

1313
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,359
uh russia or inside china or inside uh

1314
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,599
even one that landed on the on the

1315
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:46,799
border of north korea and and there's

1316
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,240
the russia up near vallavasta that area

1317
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,599
uh and and they were able to analyze and

1318
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,359
put this stuff in there now

1319
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,440
did i read number six no but i had

1320
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:00,079
access to some of it

1321
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,880
so

1322
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,119
a lot of this what you're seeing today

1323
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,280
is only dealing with what's

1324
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,000
available in open sources

1325
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,839
in the public domain

1326
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,760
it doesn't pertain to what's highly

1327
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,960
classified that is dug that is

1328
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:17,200
hidden within the defense intelligence

1329
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,799
agency or or or some other agency

1330
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:22,960
that you and and i

1331
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:25,520
will will never see

1332
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,040
let's uh let's uh take a break uh right

1333
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,040
here and then when we come back i do

1334
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:32,720
want to talk about

1335
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,480
um how this funding and and where it

1336
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,599
came from and how it was distributed is

1337
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,680
is so important in all of this in the

1338
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,240
big picture and of course harry reid is

1339
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,960
right front and center with all of this

1340
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,960
so uh let's uh take our break right here

1341
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,799
this is fade to black i am your host

1342
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,680
will be church tonight rick dodi we have

1343
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,880
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01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,359
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01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,880
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01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,720
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01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,119
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01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,910
welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight rick dodie is

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01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,599
here we're talking about

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01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,799
well this new book lots of stuff i

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01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,039
haven't read it yet

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01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,039
i'm trying to figure all of this out i'm

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01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,960
not paying too much attention to the

1462
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,359
social media drama but what if it's all

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01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,720
true

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01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,559
very interesting our guest tonight rick

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01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:36,400
dodi discussing all of this if there's

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01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:40,000
somebody that understands disinformation

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01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,359
man you know what you're never going to

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01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,960
escape it rick

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01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,119
never never never

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01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:46,799
it's always going to be there

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01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:51,280
um uh i i gotta say uh you uh you're a

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01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,880
better man than i

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01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,760
uh

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01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,319
to stand up and and and face things that

1475
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,720
you have over the years but uh

1476
01:06:01,349 --> 01:06:00,319
uh that's that's another show for

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01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,359
another time

1478
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,640
let's uh i wanna uh address this funding

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01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,559
this funding

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01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:07,920
uh if

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01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,000
if it wasn't congressional if it wasn't

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01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,480
uh harry reid and his

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01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,559
senate buddies that pushed this through

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01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,240
to get this congressional money over

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01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,559
this 22 million dollars

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01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:22,480
and it turned out to be funding directly

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01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:26,720
from the military why is that important

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01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,920
well it's important because uh

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01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:32,000
well number one the government can hide

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01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,200
money

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01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,280
a number of ways within within the

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01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:36,720
appropriations

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01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,440
congress appropriates the money for the

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01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:42,160
different agencies within the government

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01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,079
the gut the the congress appropriates

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01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,000
money for the department of defense it

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01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,680
can be in one or two ways it can be open

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01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,119
open uh

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01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,240
source so so so to speak open to the

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01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,880
public amounts of money where where it

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goes

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01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,079
there'll be line items within the budget

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01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:02,480
saying you know 50 million dollars has

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01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,400
to go to the f-22 projects uh a program

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01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,400
and so forth and so on but within the

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01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,599
government

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01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:10,880
there is

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01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,880
clover operations and covert

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01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:15,280
appropriations of money black black

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projects

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and within that black project but within

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01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,760
that covert uh appropriations

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01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,920
uh this is when you get into the

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01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:26,000
endigoma within an enigma

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01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:27,520
because the money

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01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,559
isn't designated in a in a appropriation

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01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:33,680
so where it goes for instance uh the

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01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,839
last appropriations and i did a did a

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01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,720
little show on this some some years ago

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01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,039
it was 50 billion dollars

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01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,680
that was appropriated for intelligence

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01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,039
purposes

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it was in a black project

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and all it said in the line item we

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actually

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course for the classified portion of it

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which had

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50 somewhat it was broken down and the

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01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:01,839
50 billion was broken down and there's

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so much for the dod so much for

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01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,200
other agencies it's not they're not

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01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,799
saying cia

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01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,280
darpa or any of the other agencies all

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the other

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alphabet agencies

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and so once that money is appropriated

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01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,199
it goes to an agency

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01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,159
uh say for instance d i adi's gives it

1539
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,359
to darpa now and now

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01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,719
that money

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01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:27,920
is

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01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,359
gone so to speak you and i can't go in

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01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,159
there even a gao the government

1544
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,640
accounting office can't go in and audit

1545
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,560
if there's restrictions on what they can

1546
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,120
audit because what they would say is if

1547
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,920
you disclose the amount of money

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01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:45,920
that is being spent on a particular

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01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:48,400
project that would endanger national

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01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,679
security

1551
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,080
and in some cases maybe maybe that's

1552
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,199
true but other cases uh it's just a way

1553
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:57,520
to hide the money for these programs

1554
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:00,640
that you're talking about now atep uh

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01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,520
now

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01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,400
maybe maybe uh senator reid and i you

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01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:06,640
know i really like senator reid i met

1558
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:09,520
him before he's a great guy great

1559
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,080
representative for the state of nevada

1560
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,600
uh he was

1561
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:15,920
really interested in the subject

1562
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,080
uh in all

1563
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:20,640
facets of it but

1564
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,000
he he's part of a per of an age of a of

1565
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:25,839
entity within the government a senate in

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01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,400
the senate he was the majority leader

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01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:30,960
for a number of years he could put he

1568
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,679
could request money be put into to a

1569
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,440
particular project

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01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,000
but he loses track of it after that he

1571
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,159
can't go in and say okay what happened

1572
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,120
to my 22 million dollars where did it go

1573
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,080
well it went into this black project and

1574
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,080
from there

1575
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,080
you might not be cleared for it you have

1576
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,679
to now within the government remember

1577
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,640
just because you have a security

1578
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,759
clearance doesn't mean you have a need

1579
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:55,040
to know

1580
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,080
and so

1581
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,960
i think that money came from a black

1582
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,000
project

1583
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,719
but not necessarily atep i think

1584
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,320
it could have been any other and this is

1585
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,480
my only just my opinion i don't know

1586
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,960
anything factual just i'm guessing but i

1587
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,800
know a lot about government funding

1588
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:12,400
because i worked in it

1589
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,080
worked in the government dia dia and osi

1590
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:19,440
and we we requested money and we got it

1591
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,239
uh

1592
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,159
we went in and requested 10 million

1593
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,000
dollars and we got 10 million dollars

1594
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,320
two hours later where did it come from

1595
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,080
it came from this

1596
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:31,199
kitty we used to call it the gods kitty

1597
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,560
when nobody knew where it came from it

1598
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:35,199
was just god kid god's kitty and we also

1599
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,560
had money

1600
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,159
going back a little bit

1601
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,800
that never we had a appropriations of

1602
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,280
money in a certain what we call a fun

1603
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,000
site a numbered account

1604
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:48,800
that money never ran out we could never

1605
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,920
spend it all no matter what we spent we

1606
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,239
always still had money there that's just

1607
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,640
an example how the government works how

1608
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,199
the money within the dod and i don't

1609
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,280
even talk about the dod right now how

1610
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,640
their money works

1611
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,600
so

1612
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:05,679
i i'm thinking that this money was in

1613
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,640
fact some type of appropriations

1614
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,640
but i believe it was probably military

1615
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,440
because they get the bulk of the money

1616
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,120
uh now

1617
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:18,080
uh the other part of this

1618
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:18,800
if

1619
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,920
with the book i have to for clarity i

1620
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:25,520
haven't read it

1621
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:26,400
um

1622
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:27,360
but

1623
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,660
uh

1624
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,679
[Music]

1625
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,159
could could lu elizondo suddenly be the

1626
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,719
fall guy

1627
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:36,960
and he's probably listening right now

1628
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,960
you know but it seems like this is kind

1629
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,080
of leading up to something like this and

1630
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,920
that i'm going back to the statements by

1631
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:47,360
susan goff

1632
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:50,800
um and and lou having to lawyer up with

1633
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,679
uh

1634
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,440
daniel sheehan

1635
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,239
get this ig investigation going loose

1636
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,080
emails are missing

1637
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,960
uh the statements uh are contradictory

1638
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:03,040
from lou from

1639
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:04,560
uh

1640
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,080
everything was countered by the

1641
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,679
department of defense and the pentagon

1642
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:09,199
and susan galf

1643
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,520
um and it it felt then that lou was

1644
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,159
being made out to be the fall guy here

1645
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,520
and then we have this where atip

1646
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,679
had no funding there was no funding

1647
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:23,120
there so

1648
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,960
how did atib do any investigations uh

1649
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,960
without any funding unless everybody was

1650
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,440
working pro bono

1651
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,880
well i don't think anybody was working

1652
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,040
pro bono i think the money came from

1653
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,760
somewhere it came from some entity some

1654
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:40,159
some funding site somewhere within the

1655
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,120
government

1656
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:42,880
i don't think lou i mean i don't know

1657
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,760
lou uh but i i i find it difficult

1658
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,520
to see how they can throw him under the

1659
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,000
bus i mean he was doing his job i mean

1660
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:54,159
there's so much so many people that i

1661
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,199
know

1662
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:57,360
uh that still work within the government

1663
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:00,640
including two of my two relatives

1664
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,760
uh that knew him one of them i'm say one

1665
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:05,600
relative knew him and knew where he

1666
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,040
worked in the pentagon and and and and

1667
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:11,360
would say yeah you lose doing what is

1668
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,400
what he's supposed to do he and he comes

1669
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:16,239
out now he's no longer working for the

1670
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,280
government

1671
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:19,040
and he tells a story

1672
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,400
um

1673
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:23,120
i believe him i i i believe what he's

1674
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:24,000
saying

1675
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,760
now i don't know

1676
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,320
it's just my own personal uh opinion of

1677
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,400
him because i don't know the guy i just

1678
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,600
i've seen him speak on on social media

1679
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,920
i've seen him speak on podcasts and so

1680
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:37,600
forth and i've watched youtube videos of

1681
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,280
him um he seems very knowledgeable we

1682
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,239
know his background is factual we know

1683
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:46,640
we can go in and check his military and

1684
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,960
his civilian uh his dod civilian uh uh

1685
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:53,280
work you know everything's that that all

1686
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,320
adds up

1687
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:56,880
now what he's saying i know what the

1688
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,600
pentagon spokesman is saying that no no

1689
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,400
he didn't he didn't do this but i think

1690
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,120
that's that's that's disinformation i

1691
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,520
think they're throwing him under

1692
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,239
because too much has been released

1693
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,560
this is on my opinion too much has been

1694
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,440
released and now they got a backtrack

1695
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,400
and and and lou is now public and now

1696
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:20,800
lou is being thrown under the bus

1697
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,080
it's uh it's it's astonishing to me and

1698
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:26,080
the other part is

1699
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,199
uh

1700
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,520
we all watched

1701
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,600
the case for

1702
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:33,520
ttsa

1703
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,199
um lou elizondo the three navy videos

1704
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,320
dave fraver the establishment of ttsa

1705
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,880
their mission statements and the case

1706
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,880
get laid out by

1707
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,760
uh

1708
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,320
the original article by leslie kane and

1709
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:49,920
ralph blumenthal

1710
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:53,199
which stated in that article 22 million

1711
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:56,719
dollars right secretly funding uh this

1712
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,440
ufo program within uh the department of

1713
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,560
defense

1714
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:03,600
uh called a tip and all of it was laid

1715
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,920
out and the case was made

1716
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,840
right all it and now

1717
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,040
it is

1718
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:11,040
being unraveled

1719
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,400
completely

1720
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,719
and i i don't know who's pulling these

1721
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,840
strings it it is it's it's unreal not

1722
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,840
only to the ufo community but think

1723
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,000
about tucker carlson right

1724
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,640
think about 60 minutes uh in the new

1725
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,960
york times and everything else that all

1726
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,199
of this is about to come unraveled i

1727
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,840
just don't get it rick i don't

1728
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:34,239
well that's that's that's the that's a

1729
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,400
classical disinformation

1730
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:38,400
campaign within the government uh they

1731
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,679
don't call it that they call it

1732
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:42,000
counterintelligence but you know

1733
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,440
i wish

1734
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:45,840
um i could have run something like this

1735
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,320
back in my days i mean i ran some good

1736
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,560
good counterintelligence programs and

1737
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,880
they fooled a lot of people especially

1738
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,719
the press when i did it

1739
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,760
you know

1740
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,120
worked against

1741
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,360
some local medias that were trying to

1742
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,000
spread something or of course the the

1743
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,880
classical linda howell case that i that

1744
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:07,120
i worked on and what she

1745
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:10,400
was trying to to uh pedal to the hbo but

1746
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,360
but they're doing it they're doing what

1747
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:16,000
a class i mean my my friends who are

1748
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,960
still

1749
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,560
or a lot of retired intelligence

1750
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,480
officers are saying exactly the same

1751
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,040
thing i'm reading emails here of exactly

1752
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,440
the same thing that we did back then

1753
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,360
that they're doing now is this just as a

1754
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:29,120
disinformation campaign

1755
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:30,480
now uh

1756
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:33,170
what does uh

1757
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,400
[Music]

1758
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,960
if if we take once i read the book if

1759
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:38,960
the book states these things and we take

1760
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,199
everything at face value

1761
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,320
what does leslie do what does ralph do

1762
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:47,679
um knapp is taking his position in this

1763
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,400
book

1764
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,080
i guess but

1765
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,159
you have everybody else you know you're

1766
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,400
going to have chris mellon and

1767
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,719
and harry reid and lou elizondo and

1768
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,120
leslie and ralph everybody's going to be

1769
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,920
forced into taking positions here about

1770
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,159
what was presented and what's factual

1771
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,159
and and what is not right i mean that's

1772
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,400
the only path forward

1773
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,040
absolutely yeah leslie i i really i

1774
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:13,840
really like leslie she's she's a very

1775
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:16,800
very good field investigating she digs

1776
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:20,560
it up i i enjoy her books i i mean i i

1777
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:23,360
liked it i enjoyed listening to her i

1778
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:26,640
was on some of the same programs she was

1779
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,320
some of these showtime specials um and

1780
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,800
george knapp is a good friend of mine i

1781
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:35,520
uh you know george and i

1782
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,080
sat in a hotel room one night talking

1783
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,199
about some things that are we won't talk

1784
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,640
outside the room but um

1785
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:46,239
and and these people have to take a

1786
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,920
position exactly

1787
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,920
what you exactly you said

1788
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,440
and and i'm not i'm not sure how they're

1789
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,719
going to do that

1790
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:55,280
um because what they're saying

1791
01:18:11,350 --> 01:17:56,560
is

1792
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:11,360
intelligence community in government

1793
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:13,360
um i'm not sure what they're going to do

1794
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:14,480
they're going to have to take a position

1795
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,640
i'm not sure what it's going to be now

1796
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:18,080
uh

1797
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,880
and

1798
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:21,679
there's a there's another angle uh to

1799
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,960
all of this

1800
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:25,199
and that is

1801
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,199
uh george knapp now uh again for

1802
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,719
clarification

1803
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,960
here um i want to ask you two questions

1804
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:34,800
before we move forward

1805
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:38,400
one are you under any kind of nda

1806
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,600
uh with hal put off uh with bass with

1807
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,000
bigelow or anything like that you can

1808
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:47,440
speak freely on all those matters

1809
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,560
i i have never worked for nids

1810
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:52,400
uh the institute for advanced studies

1811
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:55,679
worked with him uh i my only a

1812
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,320
proprietary uh agreement was with hal

1813
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,840
put off an institute for advanced

1814
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,880
studies

1815
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,040
that information that i gathered that he

1816
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:05,440
used in a proprietary manner that i'm

1817
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:08,560
not to discuss and and i'll honor that

1818
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:11,280
now okay the fact that i did do it the

1819
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,159
fact that i gathered information uh is

1820
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:17,040
not is that proprietary and the second

1821
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:18,239
part is

1822
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,080
uh the j.j abrams ufo docu-series the

1823
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,000
four-parter on showtime

1824
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,000
you are in

1825
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:28,880
um are you under any restrictions there

1826
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:34,000
for commenting uh about that tv series

1827
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,000
yes yeah yeah i am yeah i did cite i did

1828
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,080
sign it yes and

1829
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,400
and i was made aware of that and you and

1830
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,880
i discussed this a couple of months ago

1831
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:46,640
and i just want to be very clear with

1832
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:48,640
the audience well you know why jimmy why

1833
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:51,520
aren't you going there well okay

1834
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,320
so i'm not going to speak directly but i

1835
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,560
will make a comment

1836
01:20:02,709 --> 01:19:58,960
and that is

1837
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,719
george knapp in that documentary

1838
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:04,560
appeared to and i don't know if it was

1839
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:06,880
clever editing on on

1840
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,760
uh showtime's part and jj abram j.j

1841
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:11,679
abrams i think it's bad robot

1842
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,239
i could be wrong um

1843
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:15,520
that

1844
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,880
the ufo story

1845
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,520
being played out to the public

1846
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:23,760
is all a cover-up

1847
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,840
for

1848
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:27,840
secret projects

1849
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,600
and and george in this section of

1850
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:33,600
episode three

1851
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,800
certainly

1852
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:36,960
alludes to this

1853
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,480
which is in direct contrast of of george

1854
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,320
in the ufo position and the things that

1855
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:43,920
he has brought to us

1856
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,800
as a hero for many many many years

1857
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,080
decades

1858
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,920
and i thought to myself

1859
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,000
does george know that they've edited

1860
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,480
this way to give this appearance but

1861
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,040
also jj abrams

1862
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,280
in the last two episodes

1863
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:00,480
certainly

1864
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:04,639
took that swing um in the tv series and

1865
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:07,840
now we have this today

1866
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,480
could the ufo

1867
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,800
enigma you've said it five times in the

1868
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:14,400
show i'll say it again

1869
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,520
um could our government uh the air force

1870
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:18,800
and the navy and the department of

1871
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:22,159
defense take advantage of the ufo

1872
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,280
question

1873
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:25,600
as a cover-up to

1874
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,639
uh

1875
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:32,550
yes yes and and they have

1876
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:35,760
i've worked on projects

1877
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:38,000
in my career my my intelligence career

1878
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:38,800
where

1879
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,080
we um disinformed somebody because of of

1880
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,239
uh wanting them to believe

1881
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:47,360
it was a ufo but the actuality it was a

1882
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,800
some high

1883
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,480
highly classified

1884
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,320
uh uh aerial project that we were

1885
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,880
working on such as a drone program back

1886
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:57,360
in the 80s that was highly classified i

1887
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,159
mean they were they were doing in

1888
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:01,840
a lot of uh

1889
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:04,800
flying and experiments in new mexico and

1890
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,920
other places using drones and drones

1891
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,600
were just really new technology back

1892
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,760
then and we were trying to convince

1893
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,120
people what they were saying with ufos

1894
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:14,960
yes it's possible

1895
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,270
that that wouldn't work because

1896
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:26,709
one particular instance or incident

1897
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,120
if somebody saw something and now we're

1898
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,760
going to uh try to convince somebody

1899
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,480
that it's it's ufos but in actuality

1900
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,040
with some kind of a secret project

1901
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,719
such as tic tac

1902
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,960
um i don't think it would work

1903
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,560
i think there's too many people within

1904
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,480
the government would would

1905
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,719
would not would not buy that i think in

1906
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,320
some cases yes

1907
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,120
overall speaking no

1908
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:53,920
isolated incidents yes and i you know

1909
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:56,560
tic tac is a isn't a clearly example of

1910
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,760
something that

1911
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,760
is really out of this world

1912
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,960
i mean

1913
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,960
i've talked to kevin day about this i

1914
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:05,440
mean i really admire that guy

1915
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:08,239
a great service to his country

1916
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,840
uh where he was what he did what he saw

1917
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,760
he's an expert

1918
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:14,960
in viewing

1919
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:18,000
a scope and determining what's on there

1920
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,840
now you can't come in some lay person

1921
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,520
can't come in and say well kevin you

1922
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,719
weren't really seeing what you were

1923
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,120
seeing or you didn't interpret it right

1924
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,760
you can't do that he's an expert

1925
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:30,159
and and that that really upsets me when

1926
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,440
people do that

1927
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,600
uh but like tic tac

1928
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:36,239
how can that be explained pilots trained

1929
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,480
pilots probably the most uh uh credible

1930
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,840
observers

1931
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,159
that we have in the military fighter

1932
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,719
pilots i mean they have to make split

1933
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,040
second decisions on something that

1934
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,600
they're viewing they're chasing things

1935
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,280
combat veterans

1936
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,320
uh combat pilots who've fought in in

1937
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,159
desert storm and other other are the

1938
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,560
wars are now determining

1939
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,360
uh that what they are seeing

1940
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:06,080
isn't from this earth like i've i've

1941
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:07,840
listened to these and i've i've sat down

1942
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,440
to one of the pilots and talked to him

1943
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,920
face to face at a ufo convention and he

1944
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:13,760
told me he said i don't care what

1945
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,760
anybody says that's not from this earth

1946
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,120
so

1947
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,360
can the go back to your question can the

1948
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,800
government

1949
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,920
uh

1950
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:26,080
disinform

1951
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,480
this entire question of ufos no i think

1952
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,000
there's too many

1953
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,679
uh

1954
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,080
too many roads they would run off into

1955
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,920
ditch if they tried to do that there's

1956
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,080
just too much information out there over

1957
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,000
the years that would discredit the

1958
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:43,840
government in doing that so now the

1959
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,320
govern government has to go back and

1960
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,320
what they do is what they what we refer

1961
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,679
to as open

1962
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,800
open

1963
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,199
uh discredit somebody or

1964
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:55,280
open disinformed meaning they'll just

1965
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,560
throw stuff

1966
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,880
stuff out there for instance the the

1967
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,280
pentagon spokesman she what she said

1968
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,199
about lou elizondo

1969
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,120
uh she'll just throw this stuff out

1970
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,920
there and let the let the public decide

1971
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,080
whether the government comes comes in

1972
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,480
and gives you a final final

1973
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,800
determination of what there should

1974
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,800
should be or what you should believe

1975
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:18,560
they'll just throw this information out

1976
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,880
there and let the government decide it

1977
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,080
throws a

1978
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:24,719
lot of monkey wrenches into it and and

1979
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:27,679
it just it just creates an enigma within

1980
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,719
an enigma within a conduct

1981
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:32,320
a a a

1982
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,880
confused state for the public

1983
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,360
and uh when we

1984
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,760
when we start to look at this in in

1985
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:41,679
totality

1986
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,480
um

1987
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,960
with everything happening all at the

1988
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,239
same time

1989
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,080
and and i've said this so many times on

1990
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,760
this program rick

1991
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,760
everything is happening at the same time

1992
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:53,760
we have science we have the media we

1993
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:55,280
have the senate intelligence committee

1994
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:56,159
we have

1995
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,760
the efforts of louis lozando and and

1996
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,199
chris mellon

1997
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,440
we have the immense coverage that is

1998
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:07,520
going on we have all of the television

1999
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:08,719
programming

2000
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,360
uh uh ttsa was a big part of this

2001
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:15,600
all of this is happening at the same

2002
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:16,560
time

2003
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:17,440
and

2004
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,600
where we thought that we were taking all

2005
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:21,360
of these momentous

2006
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,679
huge giant steps forward strides

2007
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,040
forward

2008
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:29,040
it seems that

2009
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,239
it could

2010
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,000
go backwards now

2011
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:34,880
that we may take a couple of big steps

2012
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:38,639
back and and is that is that ultimately

2013
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:40,480
what's happening because

2014
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,000
if if we look at it in totality

2015
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,159
it's it's being unraveled somebody has

2016
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,960
yanked on a piece of yarn uh you know on

2017
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,280
the sweater

2018
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:53,920
that's exactly what the government wants

2019
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,040
uh they want it to unravel they want the

2020
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,040
they want to keep it

2021
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,440
so confusing

2022
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:03,120
that a lot of people if you throw for

2023
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,880
instance there was a study done some

2024
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,639
years ago it didn't have anything to do

2025
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,199
about ufos but it was a psychological

2026
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,679
study that was done by a university i

2027
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:13,600
think it was harvard or anyway it was

2028
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,239
done back easton and what they did was

2029
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,159
they put they found a hundred people put

2030
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:20,400
them in a room they kept them in this

2031
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,120
building for a x number of days i think

2032
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,199
30 days and they were throwing so much

2033
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,880
at them uh

2034
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:29,120
to try to change their opinion on

2035
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,560
different things

2036
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:33,440
and and all they're doing is it's it's

2037
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,480
visual

2038
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,080
and lectures

2039
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,159
so at the end of this time period i

2040
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,600
don't remember what it was

2041
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:43,030
they

2042
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,560
personalities changed their notice that

2043
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:50,880
their perception has changed the

2044
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:53,120
perception of the subjects matters that

2045
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,239
they were

2046
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:57,440
shown inside that that that living area

2047
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,239
changed and it's just an example of what

2048
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:01,760
the government does

2049
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:03,120
to the public

2050
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,719
and and it's just

2051
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,800
if you throw so much

2052
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,159
at the public

2053
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,400
and it confuses the public a lot of

2054
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,000
people will just say you know i'm not

2055
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:14,080
going to lose i'm not gonna i'm gonna

2056
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:15,440
hang up

2057
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:20,080
beliefs and such and such and i think

2058
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:21,520
that's what the government's trying to

2059
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,400
do

2060
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,480
we're at we're at a crossroads right now

2061
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,120
as you as you say we're at a crossroads

2062
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:29,520
right now uh of

2063
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,560
of

2064
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,800
this massive disclosure

2065
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,520
of the people within the government know

2066
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,560
the truth

2067
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,320
we want to we want to

2068
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:39,679
put it out there

2069
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,480
and

2070
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,480
the government that is pushing up

2071
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,000
against that

2072
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,239
and we have to proceed forward i mean a

2073
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,320
lot of people out there i know will say

2074
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:50,800
oh dodie's a disinformation person no

2075
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:53,520
i'm not not anymore i used to be i want

2076
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:55,920
this out there more than anybody else

2077
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,280
and i wish i could go to washington and

2078
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:01,360
and at a news conference and tell them

2079
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,120
everything i know there's a lot of

2080
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:04,800
things that you don't want to know you

2081
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:08,159
know that classical cliche of be careful

2082
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:11,199
what you ask for there's a lot of things

2083
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,440
within this subject matter that would be

2084
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:17,040
probably detrimental

2085
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:17,840
to

2086
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,320
and i know people ask me well what would

2087
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,800
we want to know well you want to know

2088
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,639
what reagan knew and what some of the

2089
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,800
other presidents knew the dangers that

2090
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:31,440
were facing on earth and so forth why

2091
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:34,800
not now at this crossroads bring this

2092
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:37,440
out and let the public know

2093
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:40,800
the uh the other part to this

2094
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,000
um and this is why i was asking what you

2095
01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:46,159
could discuss about the past uh when it

2096
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:47,800
came to bigelow

2097
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,880
awesomenidge because uh hal put off you

2098
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:52,880
know kick green the crew

2099
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:55,679
it's it's been the same actors in each

2100
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:58,480
stage of robert bigelow's

2101
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:01,760
uh ufo uh travels

2102
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,960
but

2103
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:03,840
why

2104
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:07,199
if if awsap was all about ufos and you

2105
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,159
had bass you had nids you had ossep you

2106
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:12,960
had funding you have skinwalker the book

2107
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,199
is called skinwalkers at the pentagon

2108
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,199
that if that is the case why does

2109
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:19,199
bigelow sell

2110
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:20,239
walker

2111
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,920
if it is the center of the known

2112
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,110
i think because of the

2113
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:29,360
other phenomenons that are that are

2114
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,840
occurring have occurred out there i mean

2115
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,440
i personally

2116
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:35,520
i have said this over and over again

2117
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,159
i've said it on my episodes in gaia i've

2118
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,480
never saw anything strange out there i

2119
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,560
mean i was out there twice

2120
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,360
uh spent time out there i never saw

2121
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:47,600
anything strange i saw

2122
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,480
remnants of what happened such as this

2123
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:52,560
building had just caught fire

2124
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,440
uh

2125
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,840
by itself i mean according to people

2126
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:57,600
that told me this i wasn't there at the

2127
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:58,560
time

2128
01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:00,560
the um

2129
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,600
the

2130
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:04,400
bridge

2131
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:07,040
these strange lights now i did see the

2132
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,400
lights

2133
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:10,560
but it they didn't seem that strange to

2134
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,239
me i think there was probably an

2135
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:13,760
explanation

2136
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:16,080
for for that i don't know i mean i'm not

2137
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:17,360
a scientist

2138
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:18,480
but i'm just

2139
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:20,320
looking at that

2140
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:21,280
so

2141
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,800
but there are there were a lot of things

2142
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:24,560
out there i believe everything george

2143
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:26,320
knapp said i mean i've talked to many

2144
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,719
many people uh some of the crew that was

2145
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,400
out there out of out of the institute

2146
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,719
for advanced studies when i wasn't there

2147
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,560
they would come back and say

2148
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,159
all these things happen why believe

2149
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,920
these people could because they're they

2150
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,120
were government they were former

2151
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:41,199
government there were scientists

2152
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,320
and they they couldn't explain it when

2153
01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:47,040
when a phenomena happens

2154
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:48,320
and you have

2155
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,760
five scientists observe it

2156
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,159
and they go back and they try to figure

2157
01:31:57,669 --> 01:31:56,639
out what they observed by looking at the

2158
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:57,679
film

2159
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,719
and scientific calculations and

2160
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:02,960
and they're baffled by it

2161
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:05,840
then that's kind of scary that's that's

2162
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,639
scary now what's happening out there

2163
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,320
what they got into out there i have no

2164
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,639
idea i mean i i just don't know i'm not

2165
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:14,400
a scientist like i said

2166
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:18,400
uh and i i'm as as interested

2167
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,440
uh

2168
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,679
in that skin locker ranch as anybody

2169
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:23,600
else is and i think i think robert

2170
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:24,719
bigelow

2171
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:28,000
uh bought it back in the in the 90s

2172
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:29,280
because of the

2173
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:32,480
of the uh um

2174
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:35,840
i guess the uh stories that were being

2175
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:37,520
that told to him

2176
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,639
and the phenomena that was unexplained

2177
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:42,560
uh lay people were trying to explain

2178
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:44,960
something that only a maybe a scientist

2179
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:47,360
could explain so i think robert bigelow

2180
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:50,239
and hids started started that bought it

2181
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:52,080
and tried to figure out what's out there

2182
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,480
now maybe it is a portal

2183
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:56,320
you know a lot of people say it's a

2184
01:33:04,070 --> 01:32:58,080
portal to uh

2185
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:04,080
ufos uh the aliens ets have some kind of

2186
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,400
portal maybe that's possible

2187
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,880
why sell it that's the question let's

2188
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:10,639
take our break right here this is fade

2189
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:11,760
to black i'm going to mature it's

2190
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,440
tonight rick doty

2191
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,199
talking about this book uh it was

2192
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,040
released back on october 10th it is

2193
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:19,760
called skinwalkers at the pentagon

2194
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:22,400
yeah all right to go to amazon get your

2195
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:25,199
own copy i'll have mine tomorrow this is

2196
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:26,639
fade to black i'm murals jimmy church

2197
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:41,830
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01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:44,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2199
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:48,080
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disruptions in the food supply chain

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hi

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i'm rhys evans you're listening to jimmy

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church this is revolution the revolution

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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tonight rick dodie is here when i need

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information

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i go to the source go to rick dodi

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yeah man i do have them on speed dial

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and uh now

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here's the other interesting twist

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you have all of this movement uh going

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forward and you have uh

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lou

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being

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uh

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cast into the limelight very very

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quickly

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um he's been on this show multiple times

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i've got a movie that is about to

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release

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uh in a couple of weeks uh he is in that

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movie

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um

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and this is a big picture this is a big

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film uh that is launching i've got two

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films launching next month

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and and

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this

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um

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establishment of of lou being put out

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there into the public because before his

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life was black

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right he was

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invisible and now he and his family have

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been thrust out

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uh into the limelight and and a part of

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this community and the movement forward

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and then this

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happens and he's got he's facing this

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he's already been dealing with it with

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the department of defense

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and and now

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this

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dismantle what is going on with uh the

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senate intelligence committee

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the uap task force the new budget that

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has been submitted

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and and then this happens and this

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forces the senate intelligence committee

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to take another look at at lou

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and atip and and the progress moving

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01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:55,830
yeah it is the government could uh

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could have some kind of a plan to uh

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discredit

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lou

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and and throw him under the bus

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and

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to make them

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to to

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proceed with some other project would be

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difficult for us to understand

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everything the government's doing

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believe me nobody can understand what

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the government's doing there's so many

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uh wheels and and things that are going

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occurring within the government you know

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we couldn't possibly

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stop and figure out what they're doing

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but they must have some sort of a plan

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to discredit because they're

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discrediting uh they discredited

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lou

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but

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the thing i find very troubling on that

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aspect is

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a lot of what lou said is in public in

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the public

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forum i mean we can go in and check some

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of this stuff and we find what lou said

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and what he's done is truthful

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other people are saying the same thing

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chris mullin and and now the

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government's saying no no no no it's not

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that way you know he didn't he wasn't in

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here he didn't do this he didn't do that

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and so um

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it it's troubling to me to try to

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understand why the pentagon spokesman

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came out and and said what they said

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about lou now there may be some other

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project that they're working on

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and there was a reason for that and i we

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just don't know

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and and how does uh

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uh the ufo community something that

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you've been

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not only a part of been analyzing

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how does the ufo community digest this

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01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,280
you know how does the ufo community deal

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01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:42,800
with another

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uh potentially huge setback if

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the book is saying these things i'm

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saying if right now it's allegedly i

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have not read the book

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01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:55,840
but how does the ufo community

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uh deal with this

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well

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within the ufo community and i've been

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i've been in there either on the outside

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looking in or now i'm trying to get in

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01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:09,520
i think i made a lot of friends

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at a lot of ufo conventions uh

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01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:15,440
uh over the over the years uh the most

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01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,639
recent one

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where i was there with you um i think i

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met a lot of friends i mean i was i was

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uh

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it was they were more friendly to me

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uh

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last year than than ever or this year

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than ever before

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and so i i have a good feeling and i

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have a lot of friends within the ufo

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01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:37,840
community i mean i mean i'm i'm reading

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01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,199
i'm looking at what they're sending me

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01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:41,679
now a lot of friends

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and

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um

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the ufo communities is is set up in

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01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:50,080
open-minded people i mean it's a lot of

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01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,239
people within the ufo community is

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open-minded they'll look and they'll

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01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,000
analyze and they'll look at things that

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01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:58,159
are occurring and they want to believe

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01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,920
it so bad they really really want to

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01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,080
believe it so they'll believe it and

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then something comes along like this

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that throws this

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throw something in their face

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01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,159
and now they're saying oh my god i i was

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so involved in this and now it turns me

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off

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01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,280
other people within the ufo community

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01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,880
die hards

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01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,560
they're going to believe regardless of

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01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:24,400
what happens they're going to believe or

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01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:27,520
find a way to fit this book into with

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01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:28,960
their beliefs

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01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,679
and then there's the other small section

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01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:33,679
within the ufo community there are

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01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,360
skeptics i mean there's a lot of

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01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,320
skeptics in the ufo community they come

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01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:40,880
and it's not they're not the field class

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01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,119
type of skeptics they're the skeptics

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01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:45,040
that you gotta show me something you

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01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,400
gotta show me

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01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,800
and so when you show them a wow they're

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01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,719
all excited about it

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01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,320
and then what happens

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01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:54,800
this book comes out

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01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:57,199
throws a wrench into it ah i was

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01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:59,199
believing this and now i don't know what

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01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,880
to believe

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01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,719
they're still skeptics

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01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:04,960
they're still gonna say the same thing

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01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,639
uh you know i don't know what to say i

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01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,800
don't i don't know if if there's some

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01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:11,280
entity within the ufo community or some

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01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:14,000
entity somewhere else is trying to

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01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,520
disinform us

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01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:18,080
and and the answer to that is i mean

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01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:20,320
people from the inside i can look i can

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01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:22,400
look at this and say it's a government's

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01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:24,719
trying to disinform you it's not

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01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:27,440
necessarily ufo community there may be

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01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,199
parts of this

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01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:30,480
in

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01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,080
this book that is absolutely factual

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01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:36,639
in relationship to some some

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01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:39,520
project uh so

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01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:41,119
you know again i didn't read the whole

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01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,000
book yet i will i have it right here i'm

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01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,480
i'm gonna read it i've been

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01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:48,719
a bit busy doing what you're doing and

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01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,520
i'm writing scripts and things um

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01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:53,040
but um

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01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:54,719
you know i i think it's gonna put a

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01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,360
monkey wrench in the ufo community now

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01:44:03,109 --> 01:43:59,360
uh

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01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,119
this is what this smells like

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01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:06,560
and you can laugh if you want

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01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:08,880
this this feels like we've got to build

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01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:12,560
more william moore situation

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01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,760
and and if the the parallels and the

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01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:17,600
comparisons to it

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01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:20,800
are are many for me but

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01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,040
the one thing

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01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:25,679
that we have to recognize here

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01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,400
is and you were there when

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01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:30,880
when bill did his thing

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01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:35,840
at the mufon symposium in in las vegas

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01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,119
there were

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01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,760
nobody jumped off of any buildings

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01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,480
but it was close

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01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:45,440
bill moore's importance at that point

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01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:47,840
going into 1989

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01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:51,040
in the ufo community and in disclosure

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01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:55,199
and documents and things and sensational

2450
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:56,400
he was

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01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,719
guy

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01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:02,960
and then everybody got the rug pulled

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01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:04,960
out from underneath them

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01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,920
and that's what i'm talking about here

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01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,480
where this could be a situation where

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01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,400
the ufo community

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01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:14,239
is going to be

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01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:23,990
that's that's that's true i i i agree uh

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01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:26,639
it could very well be i think the

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01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:29,360
the bill moore um

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01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:32,159
incident in 1980 i was there i mean i

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01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:32,960
was

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01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:42,880
um

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01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,159
you know it was

2465
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,800
he was hated immediately i mean it'd be

2466
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:50,880
he had to be escorted out of there and

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01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,840
uh

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01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,760
i don't know that this will be as

2469
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,600
dramatic

2470
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:58,080
as that but it could very well be it's

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01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,360
depending on

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01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:01,920
uh again i have to read the book to make

2473
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,639
these opinions but based on what i see

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01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,239
in social media

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01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:09,040
and what i've i've i've seen and what

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01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,000
i've read

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01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,320
so far about three chapters and bits and

2478
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:14,000
pieces of the other other some other

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01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:17,119
chapters um it could be could be it's

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01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,360
depending on what

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01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:21,280
this is gonna be a bestseller number one

2482
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:22,719
they're gonna be a lot of people gonna

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01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:23,760
buy this

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01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,159
but it's gonna depend on how they how

2485
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,400
they take it how they interpret it i

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01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:30,159
mean everybody has their own perception

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01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:32,800
of what they read so and what they've

2488
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:35,119
already believed in their beliefs

2489
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:39,040
and and what what what uh will will be a

2490
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,920
trigger uh to change their beliefs one

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01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,480
way or the other now uh i'm not going to

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01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:47,520
suggest anything here but i will say

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01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,639
that

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01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:50,159
um when we're talking about

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01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,719
disinformation and certainly we're all

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01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:54,480
familiar with the last

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01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:58,560
uh four years since december of 2017

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01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:01,600
uh what we went through as a community

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01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:06,400
if this book is doing these things

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01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:07,280
is

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01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:19,040
information

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01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:20,159
was

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01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,560
you know and i don't want to suggest

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01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,920
anything but

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01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:28,080
if it's not true then it's

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01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,760
disinformation

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01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:31,679
if it's published in the book a certain

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01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:32,800
way

2509
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:35,520
and it's it's not true

2510
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,000
how do we how do we

2511
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:40,400
how do we accept this right

2512
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,440
well

2513
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,520
i know george

2514
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,840
uh he's a great investigative journalist

2515
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:48,159
a great a great investigator

2516
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,239
uh he has a vast amount of knowledge

2517
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:54,719
about the subject of ufos

2518
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:56,800
uh he's been dealing in in the

2519
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,520
investigation of dual ufos back

2520
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:01,040
in the uh

2521
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,800
since the 80s

2522
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:04,880
i sat in a hotel room with him

2523
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,159
uh listening talking to him about things

2524
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:10,480
uh that i'm not gonna talk about now

2525
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,159
that

2526
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,560
he educated me on a few things

2527
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:16,320
he told me some things

2528
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:17,520
that

2529
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:21,600
won't discuss

2530
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,440
because he can't verify

2531
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:27,280
he said people told me this this this

2532
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:28,320
and this

2533
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,280
and i believe that this this is this is

2534
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,639
true but i can't verify it

2535
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,560
and i'm in this room and he's asking me

2536
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,920
to verify

2537
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:40,080
and i could verify a couple but there's

2538
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:41,600
others i had no idea i never heard of

2539
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:43,679
these things never knew heard of these

2540
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:44,639
incidents

2541
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:45,520
so

2542
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,679
i think that

2543
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:49,520
in order for george to put his name in

2544
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,800
his book

2545
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:53,600
he must have had some really

2546
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:56,080
uh high level people

2547
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,119
uh

2548
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,600
tell him it was factual

2549
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:01,119
uh

2550
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,080
or

2551
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,840
he actually had something that he was

2552
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:05,840
reading that he could verify

2553
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,000
that's my belief well and see here's the

2554
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,119
thing uh again without reading the book

2555
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,480
i'm basing everything on social media

2556
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:16,080
at this point

2557
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:17,440
and

2558
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,560
how it is in the book factually

2559
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:22,239
that's one thing

2560
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,520
perception by the public is another

2561
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,400
where they are going to extrapolate

2562
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,480
things out of the book and what is

2563
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,159
fascinating to me

2564
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:33,920
is how many people

2565
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:34,920
have

2566
01:49:43,589 --> 01:49:40,000
extrapolated it the same exact way

2567
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:43,599
so perception in in the text

2568
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:46,880
is is all of the value here right it's

2569
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,840
the way that the public perceives

2570
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:52,320
what they are reading whether factually

2571
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:55,280
it is it is one way or the other and it

2572
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,239
is defensible you know on the part of

2573
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,400
the authors but it's the perception of

2574
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:03,119
the public that matters

2575
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:04,159
well

2576
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,320
you know it goes back to the name

2577
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,760
skinwalker

2578
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:09,119
and

2579
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:10,800
starting with the credibility of the

2580
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,119
people out at skinwalker ranch

2581
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:15,679
from from the from the the

2582
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,960
90s on up or even before the 90s because

2583
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,480
believe it or not there's there was

2584
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,480
mentioning back in the early 80s about

2585
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,040
the skinwalker ranch there's a there's a

2586
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:27,199
pilot that uh i'm not sure you know i'm

2587
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:29,679
sure you know about this flying over

2588
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,400
that area and saw see these strange

2589
01:50:36,629 --> 01:50:34,080
occurrences lights

2590
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,639
he's he it was at night time and he it

2591
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,040
was like he was looking down to a vat of

2592
01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:41,760
mercury and i mean these things like

2593
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:42,639
that

2594
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,760
up to up to just recently when

2595
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:47,280
uh

2596
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:49,840
you know him by awakening man took that

2597
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,840
video of of of the triangle flying over

2598
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,159
uh uh skinwalker ranch

2599
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:58,320
and then all these other things that fit

2600
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:59,440
in

2601
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:00,880
to

2602
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:04,800
skinwalker at the pentagon and that

2603
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:07,280
could verify these things and now you

2604
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,000
jump to the pentagon

2605
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:12,960
and what they're trying to do

2606
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,040
and i'm guessing i don't know anything

2607
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,679
i'm not an insider the pentagon anymore

2608
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,320
i i read i read social media is just

2609
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,639
like you're reading i'm looking at these

2610
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,719
things that people are saying on social

2611
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,840
media

2612
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,679
and and as you

2613
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,520
are well aware

2614
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:31,360
from october 10th until

2615
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:32,840
present day

2616
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,119
the the social media has has exploded

2617
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:39,679
with all sorts of stories about about

2618
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,880
skinwalker ranch and about this book

2619
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:44,000
and

2620
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,960
now

2621
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:46,480
you fit this in

2622
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,119
to the totalitarian tautology of the of

2623
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,599
the of the ufo phenomena

2624
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:52,880
and you say

2625
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:55,760
where does this fit in

2626
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:58,719
and again i haven't read the entire book

2627
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,520
but i think that it's it's fit it's

2628
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,520
going to fit in somewhere

2629
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,080
whether it's going to turn out to be egg

2630
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:08,239
in the face of somebody that it was in

2631
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:11,920
fact disinformation or whether it was

2632
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:15,119
truthful in parts untruthful in in other

2633
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:18,159
parts because the best disinformation

2634
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:20,560
campaign you can run

2635
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,750
a little bit of disinformation come back

2636
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,239
with a little bit more truth and then

2637
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:31,920
feed him the

2638
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:34,560
the chorded graph the final all

2639
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:36,159
disinformation

2640
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:37,840
that's the best this information

2641
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,199
campaign you can run now uh what do we

2642
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,080
do with the with the other part of of

2643
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:45,920
all of this which

2644
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,560
uh and going back to the recent funding

2645
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:49,679
in uh

2646
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:52,159
the intelligence budget uh that just

2647
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,599
passed through

2648
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,599
and those five pages in there and

2649
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:57,360
there's five or six points that are

2650
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,800
spelled out

2651
01:53:02,870 --> 01:52:59,760
and

2652
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,880
one of the that that stuck out for me

2653
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,320
there was a few

2654
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:06,159
that were just glaring to have this kind

2655
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:07,840
of verbiage in

2656
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,719
a budget uh was shocking

2657
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,400
but one of the comments that they made

2658
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:14,320
in there was uh

2659
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:15,520
any

2660
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,920
debris recovered from a uap

2661
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,840
needs to be reported

2662
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,239
now i and i just stepped back rick i

2663
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,400
read that i thought okay

2664
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,119
now there that didn't just willy-nilly

2665
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:31,440
its way into the budget that is in the

2666
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,920
budget because

2667
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,159
there has been debris recovered that

2668
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,000
wasn't reported

2669
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,000
right that's that's the way that i read

2670
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:43,119
uh between the lines there

2671
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:44,159
so

2672
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:45,040
uh

2673
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:50,159
along with chris mellon

2674
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:53,119
uh to facilitate this kind of wording

2675
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:54,560
into

2676
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,080
the budget

2677
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,040
and and to get this virtually like law

2678
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:02,000
and and written into the to the budget

2679
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:03,520
um there

2680
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,320
that's a huge progress

2681
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,040
right that that that's humongous

2682
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,840
and it it it's in there for a reason do

2683
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,639
you think that they have been that

2684
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,960
somebody is talking now

2685
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:18,480
that

2686
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:25,599
reported and now we need to start the

2687
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:26,800
trail

2688
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:30,639
on this uh uh on this crash retrieval uh

2689
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,390
well

2690
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:36,719
yes definitely i think

2691
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:38,080
i think

2692
01:54:44,709 --> 01:54:42,159
we have

2693
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:44,719
i know of many many crash

2694
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,440
uh sites that occurred even during my

2695
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:49,920
time with the institute of fan studies

2696
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,800
we i went out to two but that that

2697
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,520
wasn't reported initially to anybody but

2698
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:58,080
the local sheriff or local uh

2699
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,199
authorities

2700
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:01,520
they didn't know what it was

2701
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:04,719
okay and so they're recovering something

2702
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:07,840
debris that they think is might be a a

2703
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:08,880
uh

2704
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:12,400
a foreign spacecraft or a satellite

2705
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:15,280
but it's but we know we knew

2706
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:17,760
uh the two of us that went out there i

2707
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:19,360
knew that it wasn't

2708
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:20,880
a satellite from

2709
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:23,280
russia or china or some other country

2710
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,080
i knew this was something different

2711
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,400
but it was i wasn't in a position at

2712
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:29,840
that time to tell them hey you need to

2713
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:31,920
report this to the air force i did this

2714
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:34,719
myself i notified the closest military

2715
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:37,360
base and this particular instance was in

2716
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:39,199
ellsworth

2717
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:42,639
south dakota

2718
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,440
uh the pla well i was near a spearfish a

2719
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:47,599
rancher found this and and this has been

2720
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,080
on his property for some time his son

2721
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,119
found it a year and a half before but

2722
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,760
thought it was some debris

2723
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:58,080
old debris some kind of a

2724
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:59,520
plow

2725
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,199
but when

2726
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:02,800
he went out there with with the local

2727
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:05,199
sheriff the local sheriff

2728
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:06,960
said no i don't think this came from

2729
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:09,199
space and it's been there for a year a

2730
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,880
little over a year

2731
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:12,960
well when i heard about this we went

2732
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,599
there i went there as part of

2733
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,679
investigation team from institute for

2734
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:19,440
advanced studies now this is a

2735
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:21,280
proprietary

2736
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:23,760
and i saw what it was i immediately

2737
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,719
notified ellsworth air force base now

2738
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:28,719
to get them to believe me of course this

2739
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:31,920
is in the early late 90s

2740
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:34,560
i wasn't i wasn't a federal agent

2741
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,199
anymore uh trying to get them to believe

2742
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:38,960
what i'm trying to tell them it took

2743
01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:42,159
some time but eventually osi at the base

2744
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:43,360
came out

2745
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,159
and

2746
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:46,080
then they realized oh

2747
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:47,920
this is the air force they immediately

2748
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:50,639
classified it they made it a national

2749
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,000
defense zone

2750
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:54,000
and the federal law when when the

2751
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,360
military makes something a national

2752
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:57,840
defense zone they own it they own their

2753
01:57:02,149 --> 01:56:59,679
land i don't care if it's your land or

2754
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:02,159
whose land it is they own it

2755
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:04,000
until they clear it up

2756
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:06,239
and they brought team out and and they

2757
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,480
and they uh recovered it took it back to

2758
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:09,440
the base

2759
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:11,280
where it went from there i don't know

2760
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,040
that's an example of a crash that

2761
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:17,199
wasn't reported to fit initially i mean

2762
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:19,520
they knew it was there the ranchers but

2763
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:21,520
they know what it was we'll come to find

2764
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,080
out we know what it was we know what

2765
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:26,159
didn't come from earth

2766
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:28,480
now i know this is the first time i've

2767
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:30,400
ever heard about what what did it look

2768
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:31,920
like rick

2769
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,360
it was a round uh it was a huge round

2770
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:38,080
ball uh

2771
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:39,199
of metal

2772
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,679
but it was a uh

2773
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:43,760
well i don't know officially i mean it

2774
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:46,239
wasn't wasn't briefed in

2775
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:47,920
but we knew the metals

2776
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:49,760
the metal it was made of

2777
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,199
a metal

2778
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:53,280
and it was pliable metal

2779
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:55,040
and they had some uh

2780
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,280
uh

2781
01:58:02,229 --> 01:57:59,360
something similar to antennas

2782
01:58:05,430 --> 01:58:02,239
and some another uh piece of metal that

2783
01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:05,440
was uh like a v on the bottom

2784
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:07,760
protruding from the bottom we couldn't

2785
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,840
we didn't i didn't get into it it was

2786
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:12,080
just a round piece of ball but because

2787
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,040
of the the structure

2788
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:17,440
scientists determine it didn't come from

2789
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:18,800
earth because

2790
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:21,360
we don't have metals like that on earth

2791
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:22,320
and

2792
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,560
it came through the atmosphere

2793
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:26,639
it was somewhat singed

2794
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:29,040
but anything that had come through an

2795
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:31,199
atmosphere should have had more burp

2796
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,320
marks on it but this particular metal or

2797
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,639
whatever it was the materials i'll just

2798
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,119
say the materials could withstand

2799
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:41,599
thousands of degrees in temperature and

2800
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:43,520
now again i'm not a scientist i don't

2801
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:45,760
know exactly how they tested it

2802
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:47,599
and that went to somewhere else i don't

2803
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:49,920
know where probably area 51

2804
01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:52,159
and that was in the late 90s

2805
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,280
there was some some parts of that

2806
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:57,119
darpa took over and i don't know what

2807
01:59:02,550 --> 01:58:59,840
they did i wasn't able to brief into the

2808
01:59:05,589 --> 01:59:02,560
program but there's been a lot of other

2809
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:05,599
crashes even back going back to the 50s

2810
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,880
and 60s

2811
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:09,040
that were recovered and people had this

2812
01:59:15,109 --> 01:59:12,400
stuff and it wasn't reported now what

2813
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:15,119
this i know i know i read i've i've read

2814
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:17,360
about what you're talking about now

2815
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:19,760
they're trying to put a uh something in

2816
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:22,560
a bill uh to congress

2817
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:25,040
that will say that they they we have to

2818
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:27,199
the united states government has to

2819
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:30,239
investigate every single uh area

2820
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:34,320
phenomena uh uaps ufos that crash

2821
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:36,400
uh yeah i understand that

2822
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:38,239
and i think

2823
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:40,080
we already have a policy it might be

2824
01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:41,760
classified still

2825
01:59:46,149 --> 01:59:43,520
we have a retrieval program a crash

2826
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:46,159
retrieval program i spoke about that on

2827
01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:47,760
on one of my episodes

2828
01:59:52,950 --> 01:59:51,599
at gaia about how we do it how we set up

2829
01:59:55,589 --> 01:59:52,960
the recovery

2830
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:55,599
when one the government knows about it

2831
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:58,000
there they send a team out a special

2832
02:00:02,310 --> 01:59:59,840
team of people to go out and recover

2833
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:02,320
these things we already are doing this

2834
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:03,520
but

2835
02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:04,960
why they're putting it in the bill i

2836
02:00:08,229 --> 02:00:07,280
think it's because of the uh the people

2837
02:00:11,510 --> 02:00:08,239
that are

2838
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:11,520
unwitting realizing that uh

2839
02:00:16,870 --> 02:00:13,840
we know maybe the government's doing it

2840
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:16,880
we want publicized so the public knows

2841
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:21,280
that we're doing it now uh uh today

2842
02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:23,199
this is crazy

2843
02:00:28,149 --> 02:00:27,040
uh i'm in my backyard it's about uh 12

2844
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:28,159
o'clock

2845
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:31,360
and

2846
02:00:37,990 --> 02:00:32,159
uh

2847
02:00:39,189 --> 02:00:38,000
my hummingbird feeder that i just filled

2848
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:39,199
up

2849
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:41,520
okay so that's what i was doing and

2850
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:44,560
and i i get down off of the step ladder

2851
02:00:51,030 --> 02:00:47,360
and i just happen to be facing

2852
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:51,040
i live about uh a mile two miles from

2853
02:00:54,790 --> 02:00:52,880
skunk works

2854
02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:54,800
and and i just happen to be looking in

2855
02:00:58,950 --> 02:00:57,599
that direction and i see this black

2856
02:01:01,350 --> 02:00:58,960
jet

2857
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:01,360
taking off from skunk works that's

2858
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:03,440
coming over the houses

2859
02:01:09,350 --> 02:01:05,920
and it's coming straight at me and it's

2860
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:09,360
it's hauling balls and anyway and then

2861
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:11,679
it takes it's black and it takes this

2862
02:01:15,430 --> 02:01:12,719
turn

2863
02:01:18,070 --> 02:01:15,440
low it's not flying up

2864
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:18,080
into the sky staying low and it takes

2865
02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:19,360
this turn

2866
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:21,280
and and flies the other way i've never

2867
02:01:24,629 --> 02:01:22,560
seen a jet

2868
02:01:26,709 --> 02:01:24,639
shaped like this

2869
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:26,719
and i hope i'm not giving away some

2870
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:28,639
government secrets

2871
02:01:33,030 --> 02:01:30,320
and talking about this but

2872
02:01:35,430 --> 02:01:33,040
um and i didn't my phone was in the

2873
02:01:38,149 --> 02:01:35,440
house and it was gone

2874
02:01:41,030 --> 02:01:38,159
um but i was at the right moment at the

2875
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:41,040
right time i i can't really describe it

2876
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:45,360
i i i can't it didn't look like uh

2877
02:01:51,510 --> 02:01:48,400
it didn't look like it had a tail

2878
02:01:54,390 --> 02:01:51,520
but it turned so what what i saw

2879
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:54,400
originally it looked flat

2880
02:01:58,629 --> 02:01:56,400
um and then it kind of took this but i

2881
02:02:01,510 --> 02:01:58,639
didn't see a tail on it and then it

2882
02:02:03,350 --> 02:02:01,520
turned it leaned right so i could see

2883
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:03,360
kind of see the wings

2884
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,639
but it was low and fast and then just

2885
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:08,719
and disappeared never took off into the

2886
02:02:11,350 --> 02:02:09,679
sky

2887
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:11,360
my guess is it just made this big

2888
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,920
sweeping turn and stayed low and flew up

2889
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:15,920
to edwards which is like seven miles

2890
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:16,800
away

2891
02:02:23,589 --> 02:02:21,679
but it was cool to see it at that moment

2892
02:02:25,910 --> 02:02:23,599
and these secret programs are going on

2893
02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:25,920
all the time and i don't know what this

2894
02:02:30,070 --> 02:02:28,400
was it was fast though

2895
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:30,080
fast it wasn't

2896
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:32,880
it was it was at speed very quickly you

2897
02:02:37,350 --> 02:02:35,520
know i i saw it come off the runway and

2898
02:02:39,350 --> 02:02:37,360
then just just take this turn it was

2899
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:39,360
nuts it was cool

2900
02:02:42,550 --> 02:02:41,040
well i would i i was part of a

2901
02:02:46,149 --> 02:02:42,560
documentary

2902
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:46,159
film filming for uh for uh

2903
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:47,679
several months

2904
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,320
uh where we went out and and sat up on

2905
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:52,800
the outside of tunnel air force base in

2906
02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:54,960
nevada or groom lake

2907
02:03:00,790 --> 02:02:55,920
uh

2908
02:03:03,109 --> 02:03:00,800
be at various locations around the

2909
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:03,119
nellis test and training range

2910
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:03,920
and

2911
02:03:10,870 --> 02:03:08,239
filmed

2912
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:10,880
everything that was flying out there

2913
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:12,880
and you're talking about

2914
02:03:17,589 --> 02:03:15,360
that experience you should have seen

2915
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:17,599
what we filmed

2916
02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:18,480
uh

2917
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:21,520
crafts that could not be explained

2918
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,320
phenomenons that could not be explained

2919
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:26,639
uh mostly i mean

2920
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:28,719
a lot of what we were seeing was

2921
02:03:32,709 --> 02:03:30,320
classified drones

2922
02:03:34,790 --> 02:03:32,719
um fighter drones

2923
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:34,800
drones that are are fighting against

2924
02:03:39,910 --> 02:03:36,800
another plane in the sky

2925
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:39,920
uh the the conventional plane is piloted

2926
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:43,679
by they're either f-16s or 22s or 35s

2927
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,599
and but the drone

2928
02:03:50,910 --> 02:03:47,840
is flying because there's no pilot in

2929
02:03:52,629 --> 02:03:50,920
the cockpit are is doing

2930
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,639
extraordinary

2931
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:54,880
maneuvers that would probably kill the

2932
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:57,840
pilot and and this is going to be aired

2933
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:58,960
here in a little i'm not going to give

2934
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:00,880
away everything but this is going to be

2935
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:03,040
aired here in a little while and it's

2936
02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:06,000
going to be fascinating to watch

2937
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:07,840
now one of the things

2938
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:09,360
one of the the things that happened

2939
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:11,040
while we were out there

2940
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:13,199
was we were about two miles from the

2941
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:14,320
perimeter

2942
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:16,719
of tunnel paw and we were in a place

2943
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:19,599
called roston valley and you can look on

2944
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:21,199
a nevada map

2945
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:24,320
up up near south uh north of tonopah and

2946
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:26,000
see where roston valley is there's

2947
02:04:30,149 --> 02:04:27,840
nothing out there i mean there's just

2948
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:30,159
some scrubs uh

2949
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:33,440
it's uh there's um a pronghorn deer is

2950
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:36,239
prevalent out there so okay i just blew

2951
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:39,119
past a commercial break save that for

2952
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:41,119
when we come back this is fade to black

2953
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:42,880
our guest tonight rick dodi

2954
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:44,560
got lots more to talk about we're going

2955
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:46,159
to swing this right back to osap and

2956
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,400
skin walk i assure you but i want to

2957
02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:50,480
know what he saw at a tone upon this is

2958
02:04:55,630 --> 02:04:52,159
fade to black i'm real jimmy church stay

2959
02:04:55,640 --> 02:05:00,229
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2960
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02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,679
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3038
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:41,280
you wanna know a secret

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02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:45,119
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3040
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,400
serious

3041
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:48,639
i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

3042
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:52,079
brush why fade to black

3043
02:09:04,580 --> 02:09:00,790
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3044
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:04,590
on the game changer radio network

3045
02:09:22,870 --> 02:09:21,109
welcome back fade to black i am your

3046
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:22,880
host jimmy church tonight rick dodie is

3047
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:28,229
i'll tell you something funny uh i'll

3048
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:30,840
get to rick in a second

3049
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:37,430
the strap buttons

3050
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:40,560
this is uh this is a limited edition

3051
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:43,360
jackson randy rhodes very nice

3052
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:46,480
it's got a uh roasted maple neck very

3053
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:47,840
cool guitar

3054
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,360
but the strap buttons are extra large

3055
02:09:54,629 --> 02:09:52,960
they're huge

3056
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:54,639
and

3057
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:00,229
so during the break

3058
02:10:05,189 --> 02:10:02,639
you know i've got a a box full of fender

3059
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,199
straps went to put a a strap i can't put

3060
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:07,199
it on and i was trying to get it on

3061
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,079
during the break and i was struggling

3062
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:12,000
that's why i was late getting back i

3063
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,520
don't know rick i don't know if you saw

3064
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,239
me trying to put that strap button uh uh

3065
02:10:19,990 --> 02:10:18,480
on that guitar but i tried to do it in

3066
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:20,000
the three minutes during the commercial

3067
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:22,800
break and then i had a choice do i take

3068
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:25,599
out uh a box knife

3069
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:28,880
right an x-acto knife and do i cut the

3070
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:30,880
strap button

3071
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:33,119
and then cut my thumb and then i'm

3072
02:10:37,990 --> 02:10:36,239
bleeding all over the radio studio

3073
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:38,000
you know or do i just put the guitar

3074
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:38,880
down

3075
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:40,960
and not try to do this in three minutes

3076
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:44,159
and so i think rick was going what is

3077
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:45,920
church doing

3078
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,400
what is what's going on there

3079
02:10:53,350 --> 02:10:50,480
but uh so anyway that's uh that's what

3080
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:53,360
was going on during the break um okay so

3081
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:55,199
back to this uh the sighting out of

3082
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:58,159
tonopah uh what did you see

3083
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:58,960
uh

3084
02:11:02,310 --> 02:11:00,719
well we saw

3085
02:11:04,390 --> 02:11:02,320
a number of amazing things that we

3086
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:04,400
probably we we couldn't explain what

3087
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:06,560
they were some things we could explain

3088
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,040
as uh drones probably classified drone

3089
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:12,000
projects uh they were flying to b21 the

3090
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:14,719
new bomber out there the the prototype

3091
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:17,040
they haven't actually put the one into

3092
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:20,159
production yet but uh and and many other

3093
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,719
things but while we were out there uh

3094
02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:24,639
we're again about a mile and a half from

3095
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:27,360
the base we're on blm property

3096
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:30,480
so we're not near the military

3097
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:33,199
but one afternoon it was a

3098
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:34,560
one of the few

3099
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:36,960
stormy afternoons in nevada

3100
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,560
um

3101
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,880
two government vehicles drove up to our

3102
02:11:44,709 --> 02:11:42,480
motorhome we had a motor and we had a

3103
02:11:49,030 --> 02:11:44,719
four-wheel drive motorhome which i know

3104
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:51,430
it's happening actually it's happening

3105
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:55,040
rick oh is it yeah yeah it's happening

3106
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:57,119
uh anyways we uh

3107
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:59,920
they came up and these men are in uh

3108
02:12:05,589 --> 02:12:01,520
jumpsuits

3109
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:05,599
uh they they don't have any uh signia

3110
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:08,000
uh they were very very polite

3111
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:09,920
they wanted to know what we were doing

3112
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:11,280
and um

3113
02:12:14,229 --> 02:12:13,119
what one of the producers was actually

3114
02:12:16,229 --> 02:12:14,239
one that went out there and started

3115
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:16,239
talking to him and then he turned around

3116
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:18,800
and signaled to me to come over

3117
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:21,920
and uh he's and they said uh well we're

3118
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:24,159
just curious what you're doing out here

3119
02:12:29,189 --> 02:12:27,199
uh you're on blm land so we can't we're

3120
02:12:32,550 --> 02:12:29,199
we're just curious what you're doing and

3121
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:32,560
the producer told him he flew open he

3122
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:34,639
just came out and said we're filming

3123
02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:36,880
everything that we're seeing out there

3124
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:40,000
and they said you may have a problem

3125
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,040
and uh we said well what are we doing

3126
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,440
then i then i came on to it

3127
02:12:48,080 --> 02:12:47,679
i said what are we doing wrong he said

3128
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:48,090
well

3129
02:12:50,870 --> 02:12:49,199
[Music]

3130
02:12:52,149 --> 02:12:50,880
you guys are filming

3131
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:52,159
classified

3132
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:53,840
projects i said

3133
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,880
but

3134
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:56,800
the law says

3135
02:13:02,310 --> 02:12:59,840
title 50 united states code says

3136
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:02,320
you got to film it on a military

3137
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:04,159
installation we're not out of military

3138
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:06,239
education we're in fact we're a mile and

3139
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:08,960
a half almost two miles off it

3140
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:11,440
you don't control the skies if it was on

3141
02:13:14,709 --> 02:13:12,800
the ground

3142
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:14,719
i don't know that we would do it we if

3143
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:16,400
we saw it parked on the ground we

3144
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:18,719
probably wouldn't film it but in the sky

3145
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:21,440
what he said well that's that's the gray

3146
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:23,760
area he said we'll get back with you on

3147
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:24,560
that

3148
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:26,800
i'm asking for some identification i

3149
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:29,440
said you do you have an id or

3150
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:32,000
who are you he said we're the government

3151
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:34,320
i said we work for osi

3152
02:13:40,950 --> 02:13:38,880
you work for dia are you fbi he said

3153
02:13:42,470 --> 02:13:40,960
now you're asking too many questions and

3154
02:13:44,149 --> 02:13:42,480
they got in their vehicle and drove away

3155
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,159
well

3156
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:46,400
unbeknownst to them

3157
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:49,440
we filmed that all we filmed the entire

3158
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:51,599
contact with these guys

3159
02:13:55,270 --> 02:13:53,679
and what happened what they did and we

3160
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:55,280
found out

3161
02:14:01,430 --> 02:13:58,560
they jammed us with radio signals

3162
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:01,440
so it didn't affect the cameras anything

3163
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:03,840
but our two-way communications from one

3164
02:14:08,629 --> 02:14:06,480
motorhome and we had another one

3165
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:08,639
over near silver bowl which is about 40

3166
02:14:13,589 --> 02:14:11,119
miles away we had another one down near

3167
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:13,599
goldfield which is we couldn't talk to

3168
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:14,719
our people

3169
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:17,520
because of the radio interference

3170
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:18,719
and so

3171
02:14:22,870 --> 02:14:20,400
um we

3172
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:22,880
when we were we were filming this

3173
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,800
uh doing this project

3174
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,400
when coveted

3175
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:29,280
so we had to stop and we so it's been

3176
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:30,400
delayed

3177
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:32,800
coming out and i can't i can't speak

3178
02:14:36,950 --> 02:14:34,800
about anything more than that but it's

3179
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:36,960
going to be a quite a documentary yeah

3180
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:39,119
right on right on uh

3181
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:42,800
i had uh an experience yesterday

3182
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:44,880
with a lady in

3183
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:47,040
uh a jumpsuit

3184
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:47,840
so

3185
02:14:52,709 --> 02:14:50,239
uh i'm walking through the airport

3186
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:52,719
terminal just landed and uh and i'm

3187
02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:55,920
walking through and i see this lady

3188
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:57,920
catches my eye

3189
02:15:01,589 --> 02:15:00,639
she's wearing a green

3190
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:01,599
uh

3191
02:15:03,669 --> 02:15:02,880
jumpsuit

3192
02:15:09,669 --> 02:15:03,679
uh

3193
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:09,679
fatigue green

3194
02:15:14,629 --> 02:15:12,719
right not camo just one color

3195
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:14,639
but no

3196
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,599
insignias or anything on it

3197
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:19,840
right just a straight green jumpsuit and

3198
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:22,480
i thought it was pretty fashion forward

3199
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,840
i thought okay it's kind of a weird

3200
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:25,440
thing to wear

3201
02:15:30,629 --> 02:15:28,400
but anyway so then but i was looking at

3202
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:30,639
her and then behind her

3203
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,639
is a german shepherd

3204
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:35,040
and and she's got this german shepherd

3205
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:37,119
and i went oh okay now this is really

3206
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:39,119
interesting but there was nothing

3207
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,040
uh no no service dog or anything uh

3208
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,599
you know no labeling on the dog

3209
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:47,920
but it's obviously it's like a drug dog

3210
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:50,960
or a bomb sniffing dog anyway so i'm

3211
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:53,040
walking and this dog just comes straight

3212
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:54,719
up to me

3213
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:57,840
sniffs and this and she goes and went

3214
02:16:01,669 --> 02:16:00,239
like this to say something to me the dog

3215
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:01,679
sits down

3216
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:05,599
and is watching and and and she goes and

3217
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:06,880
i just

3218
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:07,840
whoop

3219
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,880
i just walked man i i almost stopped

3220
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,199
because she was stopping me

3221
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,840
and i kept going and i did i looked over

3222
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,119
my shoulder

3223
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:19,440
dog is still sitting there and she's

3224
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:21,119
looking at me but i kept going i was

3225
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:22,639
close to the exit

3226
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:25,679
and uh but she had no nothing there was

3227
02:16:30,069 --> 02:16:29,360
nothing no name not nothing just a clean

3228
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,079
uh

3229
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:32,319
green jumpsuit i thought that that was

3230
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:34,080
really really interesting

3231
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:35,599
i don't know what that dog smelled it

3232
02:16:38,950 --> 02:16:36,880
must have been my

3233
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:38,960
axe body spray

3234
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:40,880
that's what i'm thinking i think it was

3235
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,719
my axe body spray okay so back to um

3236
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:46,479
uh back to the book

3237
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:49,200
and the possibility of uh this being

3238
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,719
disinformation

3239
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:52,960
um i keep going back to

3240
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:56,160
one point here that i think needs to be

3241
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,000
the obvious one

3242
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:00,160
public perception is everything the way

3243
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:02,160
that the public is perceiving this book

3244
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,760
right now

3245
02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:05,599
that is

3246
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:07,040
the statement

3247
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:08,880
i haven't read the book but that's the

3248
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:10,639
statement and that's everything that i

3249
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:12,559
am talking about tonight

3250
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,840
and if the public is perceiving it that

3251
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:17,280
way

3252
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:20,880
then is the disinformation campaign

3253
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,840
if that's what it is is it doing its job

3254
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:25,679
is that the goal

3255
02:17:29,429 --> 02:17:26,840
public

3256
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:29,439
perception yeah absolutely that's the

3257
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,559
goal

3258
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:32,240
is uh

3259
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:33,760
disinforming

3260
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:37,519
some some entity some some segment of of

3261
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:41,280
society or some uh you know most

3262
02:17:44,950 --> 02:17:42,960
most people who

3263
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:44,960
don't know or or

3264
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:47,040
don't have anything to do with ufos

3265
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,719
don't believe in them i mean there's a

3266
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:50,479
lot of there's a segment of society

3267
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,040
about you know 35 37 percent that just

3268
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:55,359
don't believe regardless if one landed

3269
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,760
they wouldn't still believe in it uh it

3270
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:59,439
probably is not going to affect them

3271
02:18:01,990 --> 02:18:01,040
although they may say well see i told

3272
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,000
you so

3273
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,160
but the segment they're they're

3274
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,280
targeting the ufo community if in fact

3275
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:09,760
and i don't know for a fact it is but if

3276
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:11,599
in fact this is a disinformation

3277
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,000
campaign they're targeting the ufo

3278
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,240
community they want to change the

3279
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,880
perception of the ufo community and the

3280
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:20,559
way to do that

3281
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:22,840
is to disinform them provide

3282
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:25,599
disinformation confusing them

3283
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:29,359
why why the interest in in the ufo

3284
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:30,559
community

3285
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:34,240
i remember seeing uh oh the film mirage

3286
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:35,280
men

3287
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:37,599
and uh whatever

3288
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:38,479
you know

3289
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:40,880
the film isn't the point but what is the

3290
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:42,080
point

3291
02:18:46,389 --> 02:18:43,040
is

3292
02:18:48,389 --> 02:18:46,399
uh there's a scene in there of you

3293
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:48,399
sitting in the back of the audience

3294
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:51,040
right you're at the ufo conference

3295
02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:53,760
sitting in the back as an attendee

3296
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:58,000
why the interest in the ufo community uh

3297
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:01,359
by not only the government specifically

3298
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:03,840
uh different agencies and and and the

3299
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:07,359
air force and the navy

3300
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:10,240
they want to keep track of what the ufo

3301
02:19:14,469 --> 02:19:12,000
community knows

3302
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:14,479
uh i've been to uh

3303
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:17,120
i don't know how many over 20

3304
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:18,639
but probably

3305
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:21,280
close to 30 ufo conventions

3306
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:22,240
and

3307
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:23,920
i find

3308
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:27,920
uh at least three if not more

3309
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:28,960
uh this

3310
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:31,280
this year's ufo convention

3311
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,040
uh we

3312
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:35,679
myself and this other person

3313
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:39,200
immediately detected one uh of the uh of

3314
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:40,319
uh

3315
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:41,920
of the intelligence officer we

3316
02:19:46,830 --> 02:19:43,519
approached him i taught i approached him

3317
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:46,840
talk to him he was open yeah i am i

3318
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:49,760
i'm stationed up at nellis air force

3319
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:53,120
base i work in an air force intelligence

3320
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:54,800
but then

3321
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,960
then he says but i'm here as a private

3322
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:58,560
citizen

3323
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:00,560
and i said oh yeah right you're a

3324
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:02,160
private citizen i said what are you

3325
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:03,920
putting into that notebook

3326
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,680
he just smiled at me and he wouldn't

3327
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:07,280
tell me he wouldn't say anything other

3328
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:08,319
than that

3329
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:10,720
he said is there a reason i mean i can't

3330
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:12,960
be no no i mean never it's open to the

3331
02:20:16,950 --> 02:20:14,240
public

3332
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:16,960
and so that's the one we we knew of

3333
02:20:20,950 --> 02:20:18,720
there were two other people at the two

3334
02:20:22,950 --> 02:20:20,960
others uh male and female that we

3335
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:22,960
weren't sure about

3336
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:25,600
uh and we i approached one of them and

3337
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,760
eric you know eric he approached another

3338
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,240
one uh in conversation but there

3339
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,520
wouldn't wasn't any uh identity uh they

3340
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:35,520
wouldn't identify themselves two years

3341
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:36,800
ago though

3342
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,040
there were three of them in uniform

3343
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:41,439
i mean they came in air force uniforms

3344
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:44,240
they came from uh nellis i don't know

3345
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:47,120
two was from nellis one was from uh hill

3346
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:49,760
air force base but they came in uniform

3347
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:51,680
they're officers i mean

3348
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:54,000
wide open and they fully admitted that

3349
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:03,030
full community what these speakers were

3350
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:04,800
going to present i mean they were open

3351
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:07,120
to it now what is there to gather

3352
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:09,840
information yeah and what is it

3353
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:13,920
that they want to find out that we know

3354
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:15,600
i mean is it

3355
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:18,399
is it et is it types of craft is it

3356
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:19,920
contact

3357
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:20,800
uh

3358
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,640
is it something else that could be

3359
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:24,479
misconstrued

3360
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:27,359
uh as as ufos but could be you know

3361
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:30,800
foreign adversarial you know typing

3362
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:32,880
uh you know confused as ufo sightings i

3363
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,280
mean what is it that they want to

3364
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:37,680
to find out that we know

3365
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:40,000
all of the above they want to find out

3366
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:42,399
everything that we know

3367
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,600
all the speakers presentations what what

3368
02:21:49,990 --> 02:21:47,680
they're going to present whether they're

3369
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:50,000
going to show pictures of things uh

3370
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:51,359
whether they're going to describe

3371
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:53,359
something that they don't know about

3372
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:56,000
that that they have to keep up with and

3373
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:58,000
so that's what they're doing there and

3374
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:59,920
they're secretly recording although

3375
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:01,680
they're not supposed to i'm sure they're

3376
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:03,760
secretly recording they're probably

3377
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:05,280
taking pictures i know they're not

3378
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:07,120
supposed to but there's probably have

3379
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,760
some ways of doing that so yeah they

3380
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:11,840
have they have an agenda they have a

3381
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:14,000
mission and they're trying to find out

3382
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:15,280
what we

3383
02:22:21,510 --> 02:22:18,560
within the ufo community knows and what

3384
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:21,520
is being presented at these uh these ufo

3385
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:22,399
conventions

3386
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:23,200
and

3387
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:26,399
intelligence report

3388
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:27,840
i mean i did it i mean i wrote

3389
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:30,399
intelligence boards and you and it goes

3390
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,680
to a file

3391
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,280
someplace i mean

3392
02:22:38,469 --> 02:22:35,040
number of different places it goes to

3393
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:38,479
copies and so now they know

3394
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:40,319
they have something in a database about

3395
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:42,399
what was presented at this particular

3396
02:22:47,750 --> 02:22:45,680
ufo convention on this particular date

3397
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:47,760
now uh you

3398
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:48,640
uh

3399
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:49,760
were

3400
02:22:55,590 --> 02:22:54,080
specifically a creator

3401
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:55,600
or an author

3402
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:58,880
of uh of documents that were spread in

3403
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:01,359
the ufo community but you were certainly

3404
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:02,960
a handler

3405
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:05,200
of documents that were used for

3406
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,800
disinformation

3407
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:08,720
does that continue today

3408
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:12,000
are documents continuing to be created

3409
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:13,600
and distributed

3410
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:17,040
into the ufo community

3411
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:19,439
oh yes i'm sure well i can give you one

3412
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,600
instance um

3413
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:23,840
in in 2006

3414
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,680
uh i was at the ufo convention at

3415
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:27,120
loughlin

3416
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:29,920
it was the year that the circle story

3417
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:31,520
came out

3418
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:35,359
there was a a man who uh was a dia

3419
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:37,920
defense intelligence agency employee

3420
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,080
readily admitted it had the credentials

3421
02:23:43,429 --> 02:23:41,600
showed everybody he didn't he didn't

3422
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:43,439
hide anything he was open with

3423
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:44,640
everything

3424
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:46,399
he um

3425
02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:50,080
he presented some a report uh was dated

3426
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:52,240
in 1987

3427
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:55,439
about uh the ufo phenomena

3428
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:56,800
it was a

3429
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:58,720
uh i don't remember how many pages it

3430
02:24:04,389 --> 02:24:01,040
was a really thick maybe 100 probably

3431
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:06,950
i was in the back of the room

3432
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:08,319
sitting down

3433
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:09,280
and

3434
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:11,439
talking to this guy with other people

3435
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:12,880
there at the table

3436
02:24:18,070 --> 02:24:16,240
and he gave he only had one copy well i

3437
02:24:20,190 --> 02:24:18,080
started to look through it you know i

3438
02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:20,200
started reading things through it

3439
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:22,880
immediately i detected to be

3440
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:24,560
disinformation

3441
02:24:30,309 --> 02:24:27,040
because some of the dates and things he

3442
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:30,319
had in this 1987 document and we're at

3443
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:33,280
2006 now some of the

3444
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:34,960
the information in there

3445
02:24:38,230 --> 02:24:36,640
i mean i was an intelligence officer

3446
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:38,240
during that time period

3447
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:41,600
some of the things he had an entire

3448
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,920
uh chapter devoted to the cowardly

3449
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:45,760
canyon incident

3450
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:48,000
well i was investigating this he didn't

3451
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:50,960
know me from adam at the time

3452
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:51,840
um

3453
02:24:57,910 --> 02:24:54,960
i immediately read this and found

3454
02:25:00,150 --> 02:24:57,920
nothing in there was factual

3455
02:25:01,030 --> 02:25:00,160
so i didn't say anything to him right

3456
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:01,040
then

3457
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:02,319
but some of the other people at the

3458
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:05,200
table read it looked at it bill ryan

3459
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:07,359
some of the other people uh

3460
02:25:11,510 --> 02:25:10,000
joel yeager and some of the other and

3461
02:25:13,590 --> 02:25:11,520
they looked through it and they were

3462
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:13,600
fascinated by oh my god this guy's

3463
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:16,560
giving out classified information

3464
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:18,720
and then privately i told him everything

3465
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:21,359
that he's given there is baloney

3466
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:22,399
and the word

3467
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:23,520
traveled

3468
02:25:27,750 --> 02:25:25,760
around the ufo

3469
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:27,760
convention there that this guy was

3470
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:30,479
trying to feed people a disinformation

3471
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:32,800
and that document with disinformation i

3472
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:35,040
know that was a factual incident that

3473
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:36,000
happened

3474
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:38,640
now are they doing it again other places

3475
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:40,319
uh probably

3476
02:25:42,790 --> 02:25:41,200
try

3477
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:42,800
the easiest way

3478
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:46,080
to disinform somebody is either with

3479
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:47,680
uh pictures

3480
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:49,120
a video

3481
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:52,240
or a document that looks to be factual

3482
02:25:57,030 --> 02:25:55,200
now the mj12 documents go back to that i

3483
02:26:00,230 --> 02:25:57,040
didn't have anything to do with the mj

3484
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:00,240
12 documents but information contained

3485
02:26:04,830 --> 02:26:03,200
in there was factual some of it was

3486
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:04,840
and then some of it wasn't

3487
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:06,640
factual um

3488
02:26:10,550 --> 02:26:09,600
jamie shandera bill moore and many other

3489
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:10,560
people

3490
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:13,359
uh were involved in that just how where

3491
02:26:17,830 --> 02:26:15,280
that came from i mean i had to go

3492
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:17,840
through two investigations to declare my

3493
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:19,280
name but

3494
02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:22,319
but yes the the the answer your question

3495
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,880
yes the government will

3496
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:25,840
provide

3497
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:34,309
i just got a very interesting text

3498
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:36,479
hmm

3499
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:38,000
okay

3500
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:39,680
uh

3501
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:42,000
oh man

3502
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:51,030
uh maybe

3503
02:26:55,429 --> 02:26:52,479
you know what i think they went off at

3504
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:55,439
the same time i heard yours too

3505
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:59,280
um is it about a paragraph

3506
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:00,080
yeah

3507
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:07,510
yep

3508
02:27:12,710 --> 02:27:08,479
okay

3509
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:14,309
yeah man

3510
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:17,359
these listening uh they are listening

3511
02:27:22,389 --> 02:27:19,439
these listening

3512
02:27:24,389 --> 02:27:22,399
well um i want to thank you uh rick uh

3513
02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:24,399
for coming on tonight being so candid

3514
02:27:30,150 --> 02:27:26,080
about all of this

3515
02:27:33,110 --> 02:27:30,160
um i i can't state it any more clearly

3516
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:33,120
that uh i need to read the book

3517
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,359
i need to look through this smoke

3518
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:37,840
i'm not going to comment on the book

3519
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:40,880
after that i will use it as a tool

3520
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:45,120
uh to ask the right questions i was uh

3521
02:27:50,469 --> 02:27:47,680
on the phone earlier today

3522
02:27:53,270 --> 02:27:50,479
uh with somebody in this community

3523
02:27:55,190 --> 02:27:53,280
and they were asking me what i would do

3524
02:27:57,349 --> 02:27:55,200
about it and i said you know what the

3525
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:57,359
thing is and this is what this person

3526
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:00,399
said um jimmy you're you're right in the

3527
02:28:05,190 --> 02:28:02,960
middle with all of these players i said

3528
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,200
well exactly i'm not here to

3529
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:07,439
uh to be judge your jury

3530
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:11,359
um but i do know who's speaking to me

3531
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:16,080
and and i'm i'm getting too many varied

3532
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:16,880
uh

3533
02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:22,240
you know and so in the end i'll be able

3534
02:28:28,150 --> 02:28:25,280
to to to use some discernment here and

3535
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:28,160
see where the facts are and and what is

3536
02:28:32,309 --> 02:28:30,720
consistent and i'll be able to ask the

3537
02:28:35,429 --> 02:28:32,319
the right questions and get the right

3538
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:35,439
answers uh moving forward but i i

3539
02:28:40,710 --> 02:28:38,240
anticipate the reading of this book and

3540
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:40,720
as soon as i get it finished uh i'll

3541
02:28:44,150 --> 02:28:42,880
respond to the person that just sent me

3542
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:44,160
this text

3543
02:28:47,110 --> 02:28:46,240
uh who said jimmy just read the book and

3544
02:28:50,309 --> 02:28:47,120
then

3545
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:50,319
and that actually that's how it started

3546
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,200
i i didn't read uh the full text but i

3547
02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:55,439
want to do the same thing with you rick

3548
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:58,080
you finished the book and then uh let's

3549
02:29:01,429 --> 02:29:00,160
circle back and and and take this a step

3550
02:29:04,150 --> 02:29:01,439
further

3551
02:29:06,550 --> 02:29:04,160
okay yeah definitely all the best all

3552
02:29:09,510 --> 02:29:06,560
the best and so uh i've got about a

3553
02:29:12,750 --> 02:29:09,520
minute left uh before uh we uh take our

3554
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:12,760
break uh what's going on with you in

3555
02:29:17,349 --> 02:29:14,640
2022

3556
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:17,359
um and do you anticipate

3557
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:20,160
uh the movement ahead in the disclosure

3558
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,280
question in 2022

3559
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:25,200
oh absolutely i think we'll be in

3560
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:26,240
another

3561
02:29:33,110 --> 02:29:29,920
realm of of uh disclosures

3562
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:33,120
i think more people will open up i know

3563
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,319
two people right now within dia who have

3564
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:39,120
have retired or either have retired or

3565
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:40,240
will retire

3566
02:29:45,830 --> 02:29:43,439
that's going to come forth uh regardless

3567
02:29:49,750 --> 02:29:45,840
of their uh nda they're going to come

3568
02:29:51,349 --> 02:29:49,760
forth uh and one of them i mentioned uh

3569
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:51,359
once before

3570
02:29:57,510 --> 02:29:52,640
when

3571
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:57,520
he said well they didn't come to my desk

3572
02:30:01,910 --> 02:29:59,600
and ask me because i have a file

3573
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,920
cabinets behind me full of ufo

3574
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,359
information so

3575
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,359
uh it's going to be interesting uh when

3576
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:07,359
these people come out of the of the

3577
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:10,240
woodwork so to speak and um and and

3578
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:12,319
present their side of it yeah

3579
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,160
it's a very interesting yeah

3580
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:16,240
things have come too far and i don't

3581
02:30:21,590 --> 02:30:19,280
want uh this community to think that

3582
02:30:23,830 --> 02:30:21,600
uh you know we made all of this progress

3583
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:23,840
and now it's going in another direction

3584
02:30:27,429 --> 02:30:25,600
no we've got to keep our foot on the gas

3585
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:27,439
and that's what we do with programs like

3586
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:30,160
this and guests like yourself thank you

3587
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:32,479
so much rick be safe out there ah

3588
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:38,950
yes that mine just lit up too so okay

3589
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:41,120
all right i will talk to you so i gotta

3590
02:30:45,590 --> 02:30:43,840
get to these texts now during the break

3591
02:30:48,790 --> 02:30:45,600
rick be safe out there my friend thank

3592
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:48,800
you so much okay thanks jimmy

3593
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:51,200
rick dodie let's take our break right

3594
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:54,240
here fantastic conversation and uh

3595
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:56,720
everybody go and uh uh follow rick over

3596
02:31:01,670 --> 02:30:59,520
there on facebook he's hanging out he is

3597
02:31:05,309 --> 02:31:01,680
he's in the public i'm here jimmy church

3598
02:31:08,860 --> 02:31:07,270
747-228-2051 i'll be right back stay

3599
02:31:32,070 --> 02:31:08,870
with us

3600
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:32,080
[Music]

3601
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:33,920
hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

3602
02:31:42,070 --> 02:31:36,319
here and you are listening to my boy

3603
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:44,150
popular opinion

3604
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:54,230
this is jimmy church of fade to black

3605
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:57,120
and i take life-change tea supplements

3606
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:00,640
every single day it's what i do click on

3607
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:07,750
when you take the beans from central

3608
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:10,399
america with dashes of indonesian and

3609
02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:12,800
african mixed in and then roasted to the

3610
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:16,000
dark side of fade to black you create

3611
02:32:21,429 --> 02:32:18,479
the ultimate brew of fringe

3612
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:21,439
introducing the fade to black blend from

3613
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:24,720
river moon coffee yes river moon's

3614
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:27,520
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3658
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[Music]

3659
02:35:01,240 --> 02:34:59,830
welcome back fade to black i am your

3660
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:01,250
host jimmy church rick dodie

3661
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:03,760
[Music]

3662
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:06,399
that was a great conversation

3663
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:09,680
and i will always say this um i have uh

3664
02:35:15,349 --> 02:35:12,800
the ability uh to

3665
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:15,359
uh get on the phone and

3666
02:35:20,950 --> 02:35:18,479
and and bring in a guest uh uh

3667
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:20,960
when when when appropriate

3668
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:22,000
um

3669
02:35:25,270 --> 02:35:24,160
about anything that i need to talk about

3670
02:35:29,030 --> 02:35:25,280
and

3671
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:29,040
discussing

3672
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:31,520
this important stuff i mean this is a

3673
02:35:35,990 --> 02:35:32,880
big deal

3674
02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:36,000
um i need i need somebody in the play

3675
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:38,000
here that knows what's going on and

3676
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:41,120
somebody that uh can discuss this

3677
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:44,880
uh uh from a point of

3678
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:45,680
uh

3679
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:47,040
knowledge

3680
02:35:52,230 --> 02:35:50,640
that knows what's going on and right now

3681
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:52,240
there is

3682
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:55,840
uh some controversy and the

3683
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:58,800
the ufo community i i swear so so

3684
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:01,680
resolute uh we're used to things and and

3685
02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:03,280
going back to the comparisons of bill

3686
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:04,240
moore

3687
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:07,280
and and heartbreak and let down

3688
02:36:12,309 --> 02:36:10,000
um uh we we've been through this before

3689
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:12,319
and we can go through it again but we've

3690
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:14,800
got to put it into a context

3691
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:17,920
of uh what we're dealing with and and so

3692
02:36:24,309 --> 02:36:21,120
forth my my take is

3693
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:24,319
and everybody needs to listen to me

3694
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:28,080
this is public perception

3695
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:30,560
i don't care about the words in the book

3696
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:33,600
or or well i do but what i mean is

3697
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:36,560
public perception is everything that's

3698
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:38,399
it that's the bottom dollar and if

3699
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:40,000
they're going to perceive it one way

3700
02:36:44,469 --> 02:36:42,319
then and think about how the media deals

3701
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:44,479
with the public every single day

3702
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:46,960
well the media may say something

3703
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,640
factually somewhat but the way it's

3704
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:50,800
perceived in the public and the reaction

3705
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:54,560
of the public that is what matters

3706
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:57,200
so right now based on all of this i

3707
02:37:01,030 --> 02:36:59,359
don't know factually what is in the book

3708
02:37:03,110 --> 02:37:01,040
i don't

3709
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:03,120
the public perception and the things

3710
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:05,200
that are being said

3711
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:08,399
is mind-blowing to me

3712
02:37:12,950 --> 02:37:11,439
and uh the subjects of

3713
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,960
this show

3714
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:14,880
over the last four years and the way

3715
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:17,439
that we have covered all of this

3716
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:18,800
um

3717
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:20,880
uh i can go back

3718
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:23,600
to four years ago

3719
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:24,479
and

3720
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:31,120
say on this show

3721
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:33,200
everybody chill

3722
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,359
we're not gonna know where we are today

3723
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:37,520
with all of this for another uh four or

3724
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:38,720
five years

3725
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:40,319
that's that's the way that this is going

3726
02:37:45,590 --> 02:37:42,319
to play out we've got to wait

3727
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:45,600
and we shall see what happens

3728
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:48,319
and that's it all right and and here we

3729
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:50,880
are you know now we're in 2021 rolling

3730
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:53,760
into 2022 and we have this

3731
02:37:58,469 --> 02:37:56,640
um i'm putting you on hold don't hang up

3732
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,479
i'm putting you on hold

3733
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:01,280
do not hang up okay uh but that's where

3734
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:04,960
we are and of all the things to see come

3735
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,560
unraveled i think ttsa unraveling uh as

3736
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:10,240
quickly as it did

3737
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:12,479
uh was one thing

3738
02:38:17,110 --> 02:38:14,800
and that was a pretty big surprise

3739
02:38:19,590 --> 02:38:17,120
uh but to see everything else here

3740
02:38:22,070 --> 02:38:19,600
potentially certainly in the eyes of the

3741
02:38:23,910 --> 02:38:22,080
public to come unraveled that's crazy

3742
02:38:26,070 --> 02:38:23,920
town to me it's crazy didn't see this

3743
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:26,080
happening i didn't see this coming

3744
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:27,520
didn't see this coming and again i'm

3745
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:29,760
just talking about the public's reaction

3746
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:30,800
to this

3747
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,880
all right all right

3748
02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:34,960
um i wanted to uh

3749
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:38,000
uh read uh some of these texts over the

3750
02:38:41,349 --> 02:38:39,120
air

3751
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:41,359
and i'm not gonna do it now i asked for

3752
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:43,040
permission to do it so i'm gonna hold

3753
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:46,080
off but uh this is uh it's a pretty

3754
02:38:51,270 --> 02:38:49,359
amazing text right there okay so there

3755
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:51,280
you go all right all right

3756
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:53,040
with that

3757
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:54,479
let's go to the phones let's see who's

3758
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:57,280
up crazy town oh oh oh that's my fault

3759
02:39:01,349 --> 02:39:00,000
oh i see what's going on that's my bad

3760
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:01,359
that's my bad

3761
02:39:05,990 --> 02:39:03,680
i do that all the time

3762
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:06,000
oh man hi you're live i'm fade to black

3763
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:07,760
who's calling

3764
02:39:12,389 --> 02:39:10,000
hey jimmy how you doing my friend st

3765
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:12,399
michael from saskatoon all right hey man

3766
02:39:17,990 --> 02:39:15,280
what's going on what's on your mind

3767
02:39:20,469 --> 02:39:18,000
well uh the show was pretty good i'm

3768
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:20,479
enjoying it i was curious why you uh

3769
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:22,800
like wouldn't have kindled like

3770
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:24,640
the book or something real quick before

3771
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:26,960
the show yeah i'm thinking like it was

3772
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:30,080
well um no i have uh uh

3773
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:32,720
the pc version of kindle uh on my

3774
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:33,920
computer

3775
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:36,240
and and so

3776
02:39:43,110 --> 02:39:40,960
the kindle version is free on amazon so

3777
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,120
i did i wanted to get that immediately

3778
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,040
and be prepped for the show

3779
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:47,200
and they tried to weasel me into yeah

3780
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:48,479
it's free

3781
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:50,800
but you have to pay for kindle

3782
02:39:56,710 --> 02:39:53,920
and i i'm not going to read kindle

3783
02:40:00,230 --> 02:39:56,720
right i'm not i'm not going to pay 9.95

3784
02:40:02,150 --> 02:40:00,240
a month uh for for one book uh and then

3785
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:02,160
have to remember to cancel which i'll

3786
02:40:05,830 --> 02:40:03,280
never do

3787
02:40:07,190 --> 02:40:05,840
so anyway yeah it was a consideration

3788
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,200
anyway i got the book it'll be here

3789
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:09,520
tomorrow so yeah yeah it's kind of like

3790
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:11,680
one of those nigerian emails

3791
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:13,600
as soon as you start like you're going

3792
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:14,640
down a

3793
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:17,439
decrepit hole right yeah yeah yeah well

3794
02:40:21,510 --> 02:40:18,960
thank you for pointing that out though

3795
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:21,520
michael and have a great night my friend

3796
02:40:26,870 --> 02:40:23,840
thank you so much by the way just follow

3797
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:26,880
the uh dodie lines all right my friend i

3798
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:28,800
love you jimmy take care i'll talk to

3799
02:40:33,510 --> 02:40:30,080
you that's a great phone call right

3800
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:33,520
there why didn't i get the kindle

3801
02:40:37,349 --> 02:40:36,000
version well of course i try to get the

3802
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:37,359
kindle version

3803
02:40:42,550 --> 02:40:39,600
and uh i've got kindle right here man it

3804
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:42,560
is loaded onto my pc

3805
02:40:48,150 --> 02:40:45,680
uh but it ain't free and it wasn't that

3806
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:48,160
i don't care about paying for it but it

3807
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:50,319
was the subscription i mean i wish i

3808
02:40:52,389 --> 02:40:51,439
could have just bought the kindle

3809
02:40:54,150 --> 02:40:52,399
version

3810
02:40:55,670 --> 02:40:54,160
and i would have been uh in and out but

3811
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:55,680
you can't it's free

3812
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:58,399
and so they got you in this loop and and

3813
02:41:03,190 --> 02:41:00,080
there you go so

3814
02:41:05,510 --> 02:41:03,200
uh i did find that interesting uh

3815
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:05,520
it says right there free on kindle well

3816
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:08,880
only if you got the subscription

3817
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:11,520
all right so with that uh

3818
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:14,560
uh yeah it's a great honest question i

3819
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:17,359
wish i was a little more prepared but

3820
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,240
um

3821
02:41:22,710 --> 02:41:21,760
my my version of the show tonight

3822
02:41:25,269 --> 02:41:22,720
um

3823
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:25,279
was and i thought about this uh

3824
02:41:30,389 --> 02:41:27,200
at length today

3825
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:30,399
um my version of the show and including

3826
02:41:34,469 --> 02:41:32,640
into into the future with this

3827
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:34,479
is there is no reason for me to read the

3828
02:41:39,670 --> 02:41:36,640
book i've been dealing with i'm talking

3829
02:41:42,630 --> 02:41:39,680
about the reaction of the public

3830
02:41:45,429 --> 02:41:42,640
the reaction right the reaction of the

3831
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:45,439
public that's that's what

3832
02:41:51,590 --> 02:41:48,560
really got my curiosity going

3833
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:51,600
um looking at uh different

3834
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:54,240
it wasn't um the reaction of the public

3835
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:55,600
in the post

3836
02:42:02,389 --> 02:41:59,040
is is is fascinating but it's also the

3837
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:02,399
posters the people that are posting

3838
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:05,760
uh the tops of these threads

3839
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:08,640
and what they are saying

3840
02:42:13,030 --> 02:42:10,800
very very interesting these are people

3841
02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:13,040
in the know these are people that are

3842
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:15,200
supposed to be professionals

3843
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:18,240
and uh jumping right on this

3844
02:42:24,309 --> 02:42:21,359
jumping on this quick and early

3845
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:24,319
uh very very fascinating to me let's go

3846
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:25,840
back to the phones how you live on fade

3847
02:42:32,469 --> 02:42:30,389
good evening jimmy it's the awakening

3848
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:32,479
man hey man stay right there stay right

3849
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:34,160
there don't go anywhere stay right there

3850
02:42:40,070 --> 02:42:36,399
stay right there

3851
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:40,080
um i've got to uh

3852
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:40,800
see

3853
02:42:46,309 --> 02:42:42,720
like eight phone calls just came in let

3854
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:46,319
me get rid of all of these it'll take me

3855
02:42:48,950 --> 02:42:48,000
just a second

3856
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:48,960
okay

3857
02:42:52,710 --> 02:42:50,880
all right

3858
02:42:55,429 --> 02:42:52,720
otherwise it's just gonna be noisy okay

3859
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:55,439
i'm sorry about that eric i'm back

3860
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:56,479
no worries

3861
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,680
so uh so yeah i mean uh go ahead you run

3862
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:01,520
the show here i just want to give you

3863
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:02,960
four pipes and i'm gonna have an extra

3864
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:04,640
pipe made and we're gonna add a fifth

3865
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:06,080
pipe to the category that was a

3866
02:43:11,190 --> 02:43:08,960
tremendous talk with rick yeah it was it

3867
02:43:13,190 --> 02:43:11,200
was it was a great talk and

3868
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:13,200
uh the

3869
02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:14,240
uh

3870
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:16,880
what do you think about the soap opera

3871
02:43:22,150 --> 02:43:19,040
uh in social media right now centered

3872
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:22,160
around this book

3873
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:24,399
okay well i form my opinions and you

3874
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:26,960
know this based on what i can determine

3875
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:29,200
with my own research by talking to

3876
02:43:32,630 --> 02:43:30,880
people like rick dodi i've never met lou

3877
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:32,640
elizondo but i've observed everything

3878
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:34,240
that pretty much everything he said i've

3879
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:35,680
tried to consume

3880
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:38,080
my personal feeling is that i believe

3881
02:43:42,469 --> 02:43:40,560
lou elizondo is sincere

3882
02:43:44,870 --> 02:43:42,479
um now if i was going to speculate i

3883
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:44,880
would say that yeah i whoever's in the

3884
02:43:48,389 --> 02:43:46,399
camp that thinks they're trying to set

3885
02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:48,399
him up as like a fall guy i'm i'm

3886
02:43:51,030 --> 02:43:50,000
probably in that camp with them i i

3887
02:43:53,510 --> 02:43:51,040
think that

3888
02:43:55,750 --> 02:43:53,520
they uh he broke rank uh everybody kind

3889
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:55,760
of knows that and i can say this that

3890
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,840
based on my research that people high up

3891
02:44:01,590 --> 02:43:59,520
in intelligence

3892
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:01,600
you're part of the family regardless of

3893
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:02,960
whether you're doing the right thing or

3894
02:44:05,349 --> 02:44:04,560
not they don't like it when you break

3895
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:05,359
rank

3896
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:07,200
and then also rick doty in my opinion i

3897
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:08,479
know he's got a lot he gets a lot of

3898
02:44:12,550 --> 02:44:10,080
people have over the years kind of

3899
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:12,560
trashed on him a lot of people there the

3900
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:14,720
basis of their research was a one movie

3901
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:17,680
made by some guy in the uk the mirage

3902
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:18,960
men which i've researched that

3903
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:20,560
thoroughly and i just think rick got a

3904
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:22,399
bad rap i think he's sincere i think

3905
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:24,640
what he told you tonight uh i couldn't

3906
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:26,240
guarantee you all of it was truthful but

3907
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:28,160
i believe it was all truthful so i think

3908
02:44:31,269 --> 02:44:29,600
that we need to listen to people like

3909
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:31,279
rick dodie and lou elizondo that's my

3910
02:44:34,950 --> 02:44:33,359
take well um

3911
02:44:38,150 --> 02:44:34,960
i i

3912
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,160
i am fascinated i mean

3913
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:40,399
fascinated eric

3914
02:44:44,830 --> 02:44:42,240
with uh

3915
02:44:47,670 --> 02:44:44,840
this apparent

3916
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:47,680
deliberate dismantling

3917
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:50,160
i mean everything that was built up and

3918
02:44:54,389 --> 02:44:51,760
i'm talking about everything man all of

3919
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:54,399
these pillars the foundation

3920
02:44:58,150 --> 02:44:57,120
the walls were built up you know the

3921
02:45:01,750 --> 02:44:58,160
roof

3922
02:45:04,710 --> 02:45:01,760
was was finished and they they replaced

3923
02:45:08,389 --> 02:45:04,720
uh the shingle roof with really nice

3924
02:45:09,750 --> 02:45:08,399
spanish tiles right that everything was

3925
02:45:12,830 --> 02:45:09,760
built

3926
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:12,840
and now it's being deliberately taken

3927
02:45:18,550 --> 02:45:15,600
apart i'm i they're trying to take it

3928
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:18,560
apart yeah i'm fascinated with that man

3929
02:45:22,150 --> 02:45:20,640
fascinated with it well i i

3930
02:45:23,910 --> 02:45:22,160
i well george knapp i just want to

3931
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,920
comment and i'm not going to say

3932
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:25,439
anything negative or try to throw him

3933
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:28,080
under the bus i i respect him as a a

3934
02:45:31,429 --> 02:45:29,520
journalist but you know i had an

3935
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:31,439
experience with him at the skinwalker

3936
02:45:34,710 --> 02:45:32,800
ranch uh

3937
02:45:36,870 --> 02:45:34,720
blindfrog ranch conference in bernal

3938
02:45:39,990 --> 02:45:36,880
that kind of taught me a lesson

3939
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:40,000
um but but i do believe this is just my

3940
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:41,600
opinion too and i don't have any inside

3941
02:45:45,670 --> 02:45:43,520
information to verify this but i think

3942
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:45,680
that it's possible that

3943
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:47,920
george got involved with some people

3944
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:49,920
they gave him some information he

3945
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:52,240
believed the information was accurate so

3946
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:54,240
he was willing to participate in this

3947
02:45:57,910 --> 02:45:56,399
book and i'm not i'm not going to say

3948
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:57,920
that maybe years from now he might

3949
02:46:01,750 --> 02:46:00,080
possibly have second thoughts about it

3950
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,760
but i'm going to speculate also that

3951
02:46:04,950 --> 02:46:03,279
they probably paid him quite well and

3952
02:46:06,870 --> 02:46:04,960
i'm not saying he's sold out i just

3953
02:46:08,070 --> 02:46:06,880
think that there's that's that gray area

3954
02:46:09,269 --> 02:46:08,080
right now we're going to have to figure

3955
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:09,279
out

3956
02:46:14,070 --> 02:46:12,240
have you read the book

3957
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:14,080
uh no i've heard about it i'm just like

3958
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:16,399
you i've had everybody you know

3959
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:17,600
i'm not going to read the book i'll be

3960
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:18,560
honest with you i'm not going to read

3961
02:46:24,230 --> 02:46:20,960
the book i i just i believe ufos are

3962
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:24,240
real i i know what i saw in area 51

3963
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,399
earlier this year i as soon as i saw i

3964
02:46:31,030 --> 02:46:28,399
took pictures and and i trust rick dodie

3965
02:46:32,630 --> 02:46:31,040
i sent the pictures to him and he says

3966
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:32,640
well then he told me his story which he

3967
02:46:36,550 --> 02:46:34,720
told tonight about what they were doing

3968
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:36,560
out there the same story he told you i'd

3969
02:46:40,070 --> 02:46:38,800
heard months ago and so i thought okay i

3970
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:40,080
trust rick i'm going to send him

3971
02:46:43,670 --> 02:46:41,920
anything i get i send to him because you

3972
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:43,680
know i want his opinion i want his

3973
02:46:47,429 --> 02:46:45,760
analysis you know and maybe he could say

3974
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:47,439
you know what you know this might be

3975
02:46:50,550 --> 02:46:48,800
what's happening here he's never going

3976
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:50,560
to tell me anything that's that he's not

3977
02:46:54,070 --> 02:46:52,080
supposed to tell me but he'll tell me

3978
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:54,080
everything he can and i appreciate that

3979
02:46:58,070 --> 02:46:56,319
so he believes i think he believes that

3980
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:58,080
object that i filmed in vernal uh the

3981
02:47:01,670 --> 02:46:59,680
triangle you can see clearly see the

3982
02:47:02,950 --> 02:47:01,680
three lights on each corner and i

3983
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:02,960
figured out that that was approximately

3984
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:05,200
10 miles from skinwalker actually was

3985
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:07,439
right between blind frog and squint and

3986
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:09,600
skinwalker is exactly where that

3987
02:47:13,349 --> 02:47:11,359
triangle was

3988
02:47:15,429 --> 02:47:13,359
yeah uh

3989
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:15,439
can we can uh

3990
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:18,960
can we change gears for a second yeah

3991
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:20,560
you sent me

3992
02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:23,040
uh i think you might have posted this

3993
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:24,960
too as well but i've been busy over the

3994
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:27,680
last few days but you texted me

3995
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:28,560
uh

3996
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:31,200
a few days ago you said i have a picture

3997
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:32,720
of bigfoot

3998
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:33,680
and

3999
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:34,800
you

4000
02:47:39,990 --> 02:47:38,000
uh sent it to me

4001
02:47:41,590 --> 02:47:40,000
uh to to to

4002
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:41,600
hold on for a second

4003
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:43,600
um what is it that i'm supposed to be

4004
02:47:48,150 --> 02:47:46,080
seeing in this image where's bigfoot in

4005
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:48,160
the image

4006
02:47:51,750 --> 02:47:49,600
i don't know if i sent you there's

4007
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:51,760
there's the main picture which i

4008
02:47:54,870 --> 02:47:53,279
when i was out there i took i figured

4009
02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:54,880
out i took when i got my phone back

4010
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:56,240
because i dropped my phone when i was

4011
02:47:59,269 --> 02:47:57,600
hiking out there so i had to have it

4012
02:48:01,429 --> 02:47:59,279
repaired so i didn't have access to my

4013
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:01,439
pictures until just a few days ago so i

4014
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:03,200
had 222 pictures in there and went

4015
02:48:06,870 --> 02:48:04,640
through every video and every picture

4016
02:48:09,429 --> 02:48:06,880
and then i just zoomed it in on my on my

4017
02:48:11,830 --> 02:48:09,439
big screen i just attached my samsung

4018
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:11,840
through hdmi to my big screen zoomed in

4019
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:14,640
and i saw this thing in the woods

4020
02:48:18,630 --> 02:48:17,200
and i thought that is a freaking bigfoot

4021
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:18,640
i mean you could see its head you could

4022
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:20,319
see the cone you can see everything i

4023
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:22,080
mean it was you see the eyes you could

4024
02:48:25,590 --> 02:48:24,399
see the nose you could see and i thought

4025
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:25,600
that is

4026
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:27,520
duke's not lying there they're out there

4027
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:28,399
because

4028
02:48:31,990 --> 02:48:30,240
i heard sounds and we had trees fall

4029
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:32,000
down i know i mentioned that in our talk

4030
02:48:35,990 --> 02:48:34,080
before but now i'm even more on board so

4031
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,000
what i did is i contacted a friend of

4032
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:38,240
mine who who analyzes pictures for uh

4033
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:41,120
photoshop and digital uh you know he

4034
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:43,200
went and put it into his computer

4035
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:45,359
and he digitally analyzed the picture

4036
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:47,520
and he said and he believes it's

4037
02:48:51,269 --> 02:48:49,200
it looks like a bigfoot to him and it's

4038
02:48:52,469 --> 02:48:51,279
not photoshopped i mean uh it's pretty

4039
02:48:54,469 --> 02:48:52,479
awesome so

4040
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:54,479
there could be more pictures that i have

4041
02:48:58,950 --> 02:48:56,720
with bigfoot inside there's another

4042
02:49:00,790 --> 02:48:58,960
picture i got which is a little harder

4043
02:49:03,349 --> 02:49:00,800
to see but i believe

4044
02:49:05,349 --> 02:49:03,359
about 30 feet up on this one tree and

4045
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:05,359
this pack of trees this again this was

4046
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:07,680
probably like 100 yards away there is a

4047
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:10,080
smaller bigfoot like a junior bigfoot

4048
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:12,560
sitting up in the tree you could see his

4049
02:49:16,790 --> 02:49:14,640
head his body his legs and his arms and

4050
02:49:18,070 --> 02:49:16,800
everything i'm not kidding you it's

4051
02:49:19,830 --> 02:49:18,080
bizarre

4052
02:49:21,670 --> 02:49:19,840
okay i don't know it's i didn't see i

4053
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:21,680
didn't see it with my eyes the camera

4054
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:23,600
caught it i didn't see it with my eyes

4055
02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:27,600
at the time okay i'm going to uh

4056
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:30,479
let me look at this hang on for a second

4057
02:49:36,630 --> 02:49:34,399
let's just call this uh bigfoot and

4058
02:49:39,349 --> 02:49:36,640
i'm going to blow this up on my

4059
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:39,359
big monitor here

4060
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:43,520
okay all right let me let me see

4061
02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:45,760
i'm trying to make you want me to try to

4062
02:49:48,550 --> 02:49:47,040
while you're talking to me let me try to

4063
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,560
post it on twitter real quick see if i

4064
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:50,720
can find it on my phone okay or do you

4065
02:49:56,309 --> 02:49:53,359
have it uh no i'm blowing it up here

4066
02:49:58,389 --> 02:49:56,319
okay yeah see what you sent me is too

4067
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:58,399
small of an image

4068
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:00,720
okay yeah when i blow this up it's all

4069
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:03,439
pixelated i need the big raw file i need

4070
02:50:06,950 --> 02:50:04,960
the real file

4071
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:06,960
yeah i'll send it to you i'll i've got

4072
02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:09,760
it on my google photos i me i emailed it

4073
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:11,120
to everybody so they can get like the

4074
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,520
best quality copy i'll definitely send

4075
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:15,359
that that's not what you will email it

4076
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:16,720
now

4077
02:50:22,309 --> 02:50:20,160
can you alright let me see it might take

4078
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:22,319
this i couldn't uh it's going to take me

4079
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:23,680
a minute because i'm not that quick on

4080
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:25,279
this phone i just got i just moved from

4081
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:27,840
the iphone to this to the samsung where

4082
02:50:33,030 --> 02:50:31,120
was where was this picture taken

4083
02:50:35,269 --> 02:50:33,040
this was in montana this is that the

4084
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:35,279
this it's not really it's a secret spot

4085
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:37,120
but it's not really like a super secret

4086
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:38,880
spot i mean we're up there about 8 000

4087
02:50:42,710 --> 02:50:40,880
feet at that campsite and you've got the

4088
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:42,720
river that runs right by the campsite

4089
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:44,319
and you've got the road and the trees

4090
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:45,359
and uh

4091
02:50:48,150 --> 02:50:46,800
so we were hearing those sounds like i

4092
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:48,160
told you i recorded the sounds i

4093
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:49,279
actually posted those too i don't know

4094
02:50:53,429 --> 02:50:52,000
if you heard the sound okay eric

4095
02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:53,439
yeah don't worry about that send me the

4096
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:54,960
picture all right

4097
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:57,600
send me the picture is it is it

4098
02:51:01,910 --> 02:51:00,319
right in the center is it that black

4099
02:51:04,070 --> 02:51:01,920
mask that is in the center of the

4100
02:51:06,309 --> 02:51:04,080
picture

4101
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:06,319
could be okay here i found it i found it

4102
02:51:08,790 --> 02:51:07,439
i'm going to send it to you right now

4103
02:51:10,630 --> 02:51:08,800
i'm going to you want me to tweet i'm

4104
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:10,640
going to tweet it to you don't tweet it

4105
02:51:14,389 --> 02:51:13,200
to me email it to me

4106
02:51:16,469 --> 02:51:14,399
all right first i'm going to tweet it

4107
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:16,479
then i'll email you no no eric i don't

4108
02:51:20,790 --> 02:51:18,560
care about twitter i email this thing to

4109
02:51:22,750 --> 02:51:20,800
me all right i got no time left in the

4110
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:22,760
show

4111
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:27,680
email this to me right now

4112
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,040
man

4113
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:31,439
fighting with eric live on the air it's

4114
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:34,479
my favorite thing to do

4115
02:51:39,510 --> 02:51:38,160
live on the air and he wants to tweet

4116
02:51:44,830 --> 02:51:39,520
oh man

4117
02:51:52,790 --> 02:51:48,630
do my emails open

4118
02:51:55,830 --> 02:51:54,630
i don't see it yet i

4119
02:51:58,150 --> 02:51:55,840
see

4120
02:52:00,150 --> 02:51:58,160
eric sent me a uh

4121
02:52:02,550 --> 02:52:00,160
you know an image this big and when i

4122
02:52:04,710 --> 02:52:02,560
blow that up on this big monitor here

4123
02:52:07,429 --> 02:52:04,720
it's it's pixelated

4124
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:07,439
and i saved two versions of the same

4125
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:09,600
image thinking maybe one

4126
02:52:15,269 --> 02:52:12,000
was not a thumbnail so i saved both

4127
02:52:17,670 --> 02:52:15,279
versions and yeah they're both it's it's

4128
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:17,680
a very small picture

4129
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:21,840
so okay can you can you hear me yes

4130
02:52:25,670 --> 02:52:24,080
all right i'm trying to i asked you what

4131
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:25,680
tell me your email because i don't email

4132
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:27,120
you normally so i need to find your

4133
02:52:31,269 --> 02:52:30,160
email here jimmy i don't have an email

4134
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:31,279
jimmy

4135
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:48,710
shoot too much it's so dramatic here it

4136
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:50,160
comes okay i just sent it to you let's

4137
02:52:54,190 --> 02:52:51,359
see if you see if you get it here it

4138
02:52:56,950 --> 02:52:54,200
comes i didn't put any subject on it

4139
02:52:58,469 --> 02:52:56,960
oh my god

4140
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:58,479
check your emails

4141
02:53:02,070 --> 02:53:00,080
would you stop it

4142
02:53:03,510 --> 02:53:02,080
hey all right fine you know what

4143
02:53:05,110 --> 02:53:03,520
i get in the impression you don't want

4144
02:53:08,070 --> 02:53:05,120
me to call in anymore if i'm not that

4145
02:53:11,190 --> 02:53:08,080
annoying i won't bother you and you are

4146
02:53:12,950 --> 02:53:11,200
annoying is not the word i'm looking for

4147
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:12,960
okay well okay well let's i should get

4148
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:14,880
off the phone so deborah can call and

4149
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:18,479
you can talk to debra okay hang on uh i

4150
02:53:21,510 --> 02:53:20,399
i did you send it to the right email

4151
02:53:22,510 --> 02:53:21,520
address

4152
02:53:24,550 --> 02:53:22,520
give me a

4153
02:53:26,710 --> 02:53:24,560
jimmychurchradio.com yep i just sent it

4154
02:53:28,320 --> 02:53:26,720
there i'll double check to make sure it

4155
02:53:31,110 --> 02:53:28,330
was sent let me double check here

4156
02:53:32,630 --> 02:53:31,120
[Laughter]

4157
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:32,640
you're messing with me i know you are no

4158
02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:35,520
i'm not man i'd be opening it right now

4159
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:38,080
i'm live on everybody can watch but

4160
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:40,640
everybody's watching me

4161
02:53:43,750 --> 02:53:42,240
everybody's watching

4162
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,760
you know what you should have it there

4163
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:45,760
i've sent it twice now i know for a fact

4164
02:53:50,830 --> 02:53:47,920
it should be there in your in your file

4165
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:50,840
jimmy jimmychurcharito.com oh my

4166
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:53,520
god let me check my i'm going to tweet

4167
02:53:56,550 --> 02:53:55,040
it anyway even though you told me not to

4168
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:56,560
just so other people can see it because

4169
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:58,080
it's not really fair that only you get

4170
02:54:01,110 --> 02:53:59,279
to see it

4171
02:54:02,710 --> 02:54:01,120
i mean i know you get to see everything

4172
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:02,720
that nobody else gets to see you go on

4173
02:54:07,110 --> 02:54:04,560
these little secret trips on the weekend

4174
02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:07,120
you know you fly out to uh canada to

4175
02:54:10,950 --> 02:54:09,120
meet with your connections and contacts

4176
02:54:12,230 --> 02:54:10,960
out there right yeah i know what you're

4177
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:12,240
i know what you're doing i like it

4178
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:14,240
though i respect it you know you're on

4179
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:16,640
top of it i got it i respect that okay

4180
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:20,800
uh it's not in my spam folder

4181
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:22,560
it's not i don't know why you're not

4182
02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:26,720
there it's not in my junk folder

4183
02:54:33,190 --> 02:54:31,680
and it is not in my inbox

4184
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:33,200
i don't know why it's not coming because

4185
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:34,720
i know it's got your name on there so

4186
02:54:37,269 --> 02:54:35,920
check the twitter real quick because

4187
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:37,279
it's on there now

4188
02:54:41,190 --> 02:54:39,520
you can at least look at it

4189
02:54:42,870 --> 02:54:41,200
can at least look at it

4190
02:54:45,349 --> 02:54:42,880
all right

4191
02:54:47,110 --> 02:54:45,359
you're too much this is the same picture

4192
02:54:49,590 --> 02:54:47,120
that i have

4193
02:54:51,190 --> 02:54:49,600
i have okay well what what do you see it

4194
02:54:52,950 --> 02:54:51,200
there in the center of right in the

4195
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:52,960
center

4196
02:54:56,230 --> 02:54:54,800
out of all the green i just it's pretty

4197
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:56,240
clear to me

4198
02:55:00,469 --> 02:54:57,120
okay

4199
02:55:03,750 --> 02:55:00,479
but my point is eric that when i blow

4200
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:03,760
this up it's pixelated i want to see

4201
02:55:08,469 --> 02:55:05,840
okay i'm going to save this one

4202
02:55:10,230 --> 02:55:08,479
as you know what i'm going to do is uh

4203
02:55:11,910 --> 02:55:10,240
when i come to see you next time i'll

4204
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:11,920
show it to you on my phone because it

4205
02:55:14,950 --> 02:55:12,960
could be

4206
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:14,960
that the copy i'm sending you is

4207
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:16,560
degraded which i'm going to guess is

4208
02:55:20,950 --> 02:55:18,399
probably what's happening yeah this is

4209
02:55:21,910 --> 02:55:20,960
the same thing no i don't want this

4210
02:55:24,389 --> 02:55:21,920
picture

4211
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:24,399
this is tiny well i'm sorry then i don't

4212
02:55:27,990 --> 02:55:25,840
have anything better to show you right

4213
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:28,000
now so you'll just have to take take my

4214
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:29,600
word for it you know about but you know

4215
02:55:32,469 --> 02:55:31,359
you've got you're buying that that van

4216
02:55:33,750 --> 02:55:32,479
or whatever the hell you're buying and

4217
02:55:34,870 --> 02:55:33,760
you're gonna go squatch and you've

4218
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:34,880
already said

4219
02:55:39,830 --> 02:55:37,040
so i'm i'm gonna take you actually to

4220
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:39,840
the my super secret location in idaho

4221
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,319
that nobody knows about and i'm gonna

4222
02:55:45,429 --> 02:55:43,760
bet you matter of fact if you want to

4223
02:55:47,750 --> 02:55:45,439
bet right now on air i'm gonna bet you a

4224
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,760
thousand dollars cash

4225
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:50,000
that you will have a bigfoot experience

4226
02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:51,920
if you go out squatching with me in

4227
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:53,920
idaho a thousand bucks cash step up to

4228
02:55:56,830 --> 02:55:55,840
the plate let's go right now okay i'm

4229
02:56:00,790 --> 02:55:56,840
ready to go

4230
02:56:06,150 --> 02:56:03,750
but don't you owe me money on a couple

4231
02:56:07,990 --> 02:56:06,160
of past bets

4232
02:56:09,990 --> 02:56:08,000
i don't think so i don't remember i mean

4233
02:56:11,429 --> 02:56:10,000
you'd have to refresh my i think you got

4234
02:56:15,030 --> 02:56:11,439
a tab

4235
02:56:17,269 --> 02:56:15,040
this is that you know you come up there

4236
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:17,279
to idaho and or even go up to montana

4237
02:56:20,389 --> 02:56:18,720
which is only three or four hours away

4238
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:20,399
from where that other spot is you can go

4239
02:56:23,269 --> 02:56:22,080
go up there we might have to wait till

4240
02:56:24,790 --> 02:56:23,279
after the winter because i don't think

4241
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:24,800
you and i want to be up there when it's

4242
02:56:27,750 --> 02:56:26,080
20 degrees and there's snow on the

4243
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:27,760
ground although

4244
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:29,279
if you can handle that then you're going

4245
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:30,720
to see the tracks that they're going to

4246
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:32,240
leave in the snow

4247
02:56:35,510 --> 02:56:33,760
so that gives you even more of an

4248
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:35,520
indication so when you see tracks and

4249
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:37,600
you see these tree structures and you

4250
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:40,240
hear the sounds they make then that i

4251
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:42,240
think will put you in a whole nother

4252
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,680
mindset

4253
02:56:47,590 --> 02:56:46,160
that's what happened to me okay that's

4254
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:47,600
what and then of course what happened in

4255
02:56:50,550 --> 02:56:49,200
happy jack but i'm trying to i want to

4256
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:50,560
find these guys i want to see where

4257
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:52,240
they're at i want to see one again i

4258
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:54,160
want to see their face i want to see it

4259
02:56:58,150 --> 02:56:56,160
maybe in the daylight i want to see one

4260
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:58,160
running through the forest i want to see

4261
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:00,960
one like alive in the tree with my bare

4262
02:57:04,230 --> 02:57:03,120
eyes that's that's where i'm at right

4263
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,240
now

4264
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:06,640
um what do you make of do you think that

4265
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:10,240
this is uh a disinformation campaign

4266
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:14,399
right now uh uh meant to smear

4267
02:57:21,110 --> 02:57:17,600
does this feel this way to you it it it

4268
02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:21,120
yeah it's a it's a little funky to me

4269
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:23,680
i mean what they're doing is

4270
02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:25,200
what they're doing is they're we've got

4271
02:57:29,429 --> 02:57:27,040
all the people that know already that

4272
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:29,439
the truth they're all cool but it's that

4273
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:31,840
group of people maybe that 20 30 of

4274
02:57:37,110 --> 02:57:34,240
people that kind of came into the ufo

4275
02:57:39,030 --> 02:57:37,120
interests in 2017 so about four years

4276
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:39,040
you've got this new group of people that

4277
02:57:42,070 --> 02:57:40,800
are trying to learn about all this and

4278
02:57:43,590 --> 02:57:42,080
these people are vulnerable because

4279
02:57:45,590 --> 02:57:43,600
they're like 50 50. they don't know what

4280
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:45,600
to believe what's true what's not true

4281
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:48,080
so by coming in with this disinformation

4282
02:57:51,269 --> 02:57:49,680
they're hoping to knock just like dodie

4283
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:51,279
said they're hoping to knock those guys

4284
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:53,120
out of the whole game and in the sense

4285
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:55,120
that if people just don't want to think

4286
02:57:58,230 --> 02:57:56,800
about it don't want to look about it

4287
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:58,240
don't want to look at it don't even want

4288
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:59,600
to consider it really they just kind of

4289
02:58:03,269 --> 02:58:01,760
become disinterested then they've

4290
02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:03,279
achieved their goal because they know

4291
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:04,800
that they're not going to get you know

4292
02:58:08,230 --> 02:58:06,479
the people that already know they're not

4293
02:58:09,830 --> 02:58:08,240
going to you're not going to sway us

4294
02:58:10,870 --> 02:58:09,840
that's just not going to happen well but

4295
02:58:12,790 --> 02:58:10,880
see what

4296
02:58:16,230 --> 02:58:12,800
why

4297
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:16,240
lou alone

4298
02:58:22,070 --> 02:58:19,920
and and and melon and a tip what does

4299
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:22,080
this have to do

4300
02:58:25,590 --> 02:58:24,000
with anybody else why why would it

4301
02:58:27,990 --> 02:58:25,600
matter to them

4302
02:58:30,230 --> 02:58:28,000
you know because those guys are they're

4303
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:30,240
credible i mean in my opinion i i know

4304
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:32,399
nobody a lot of people thought this is

4305
02:58:36,469 --> 02:58:34,880
credible but that's not my point i mean

4306
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:36,479
does this answer

4307
02:58:41,429 --> 02:58:38,319
the ufo question does this move

4308
02:58:44,070 --> 02:58:41,439
disclosure forward no it doesn't no you

4309
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:44,080
know what i mean why do this at all it

4310
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:46,560
doesn't make any sense to sell books

4311
02:58:50,070 --> 02:58:48,880
i don't i don't it just doesn't make any

4312
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:50,080
sense to me

4313
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:52,960
and and and going back to

4314
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:57,120
um you know osap and and skin walker and

4315
02:59:02,309 --> 02:58:59,680
funding who gives a crap

4316
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:02,319
you know and that's why i agree with you

4317
02:59:07,510 --> 02:59:04,479
you know and i keep bringing this up

4318
02:59:09,670 --> 02:59:07,520
uh why does the money trail matter

4319
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:09,680
who gives a crap

4320
02:59:14,550 --> 02:59:11,600
if it came from here if it came from

4321
02:59:16,309 --> 02:59:14,560
harry reid the military uh there's some

4322
02:59:19,349 --> 02:59:16,319
oversight committee that wants to know

4323
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:19,359
why their money is being spent on ufos

4324
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:22,160
and not bigfoot or orbs or whatever

4325
02:59:27,429 --> 02:59:23,760
whatever i mean

4326
02:59:30,389 --> 02:59:27,439
what what in the world does that matter

4327
02:59:33,030 --> 02:59:30,399
and trying to obfuscate this and and

4328
02:59:34,150 --> 02:59:33,040
take you know the eye off the prize and

4329
02:59:36,230 --> 02:59:34,160
everything else

4330
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:36,240
uh why why do this what what does it

4331
02:59:41,429 --> 02:59:38,160
matter what's the advantage

4332
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:41,439
uh to any of this does it bring

4333
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:44,240
uh things uh does does it allow things

4334
02:59:47,830 --> 02:59:46,800
to progress forward no it doesn't

4335
02:59:49,670 --> 02:59:47,840
and

4336
02:59:51,910 --> 02:59:49,680
i i don't know it's it seems a little

4337
02:59:54,550 --> 02:59:51,920
bit senseless to me and i'm not here

4338
02:59:56,630 --> 02:59:54,560
defending lou i'm not here defending nap

4339
02:59:59,269 --> 02:59:56,640
i'm not here defending the book i'm not

4340
03:00:02,389 --> 02:59:59,279
here to i'm not doing any i'm not no

4341
03:00:05,269 --> 03:00:02,399
that's not my point i'm just asking why

4342
03:00:06,150 --> 03:00:05,279
why why what what's the use of all of

4343
03:00:06,950 --> 03:00:06,160
this

4344
03:00:12,630 --> 03:00:06,960
so

4345
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:12,640
i mean that to me is pretty obvious yeah

4346
03:00:15,990 --> 03:00:14,160
something yeah they wouldn't even care

4347
03:00:18,389 --> 03:00:16,000
if it wasn't real they wouldn't care

4348
03:00:22,630 --> 03:00:18,399
yeah that's a really good point eric

4349
03:00:24,469 --> 03:00:22,640
well uh be safe uh be be wise be real be

4350
03:00:26,550 --> 03:00:24,479
eric awakening man

4351
03:00:29,030 --> 03:00:26,560
and then i want to remind everybody uh

4352
03:00:32,510 --> 03:00:29,040
tomorrow i'm going to be on now with uh

4353
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:32,520
christina gomez and tomorrow we're doing

4354
03:00:39,750 --> 03:00:36,800
ufo crash retrieval week and uh so that

4355
03:00:42,790 --> 03:00:39,760
starts tomorrow uh with uh christina

4356
03:00:44,710 --> 03:00:42,800
gomez at 2 30 pacific time so come and

4357
03:00:46,790 --> 03:00:44,720
hang out with uh christina and i

4358
03:00:49,269 --> 03:00:46,800
tomorrow and then tomorrow night right

4359
03:00:50,830 --> 03:00:49,279
here on fade to black anjali eric be

4360
03:00:52,870 --> 03:00:50,840
safe and be well my

4361
03:00:54,630 --> 03:00:52,880
friend alright buddy take care talk to

4362
03:00:57,510 --> 03:00:54,640
you later thank you so much

4363
03:00:59,670 --> 03:00:57,520
and uh thank you for the bogus picture

4364
03:01:02,070 --> 03:00:59,680
and thank you for the email that didn't

4365
03:01:04,710 --> 03:01:02,080
come in i'm gonna check one more time

4366
03:01:06,550 --> 03:01:04,720
nah didn't come in

4367
03:01:07,990 --> 03:01:06,560
didn't come in and he got a new cell

4368
03:01:10,150 --> 03:01:08,000
phone

4369
03:01:11,590 --> 03:01:10,160
he he got all that man he's got all the

4370
03:01:13,590 --> 03:01:11,600
fancy stuff

4371
03:01:15,670 --> 03:01:13,600
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4372
03:01:17,830 --> 03:01:15,680
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4373
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4375
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4376
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4377
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4378
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4379
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4380
03:01:32,950 --> 03:01:30,399
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4381
03:01:34,389 --> 03:01:32,960
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4382
03:01:36,710 --> 03:01:34,399
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03:01:39,990 --> 03:01:38,399
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03:01:41,269 --> 03:01:40,000
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4386
03:01:42,790 --> 03:01:41,279
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03:01:44,790 --> 03:01:42,800
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4388
03:01:47,590 --> 03:01:44,800
church

4389
03:01:49,510 --> 03:01:47,600
what a week we've got coming up tonight

4390
03:01:51,910 --> 03:01:49,520
it was rick dodie tomorrow night on

4391
03:01:55,030 --> 03:01:51,920
julie wednesday night jacques ballet

4392
03:01:57,030 --> 03:01:55,040
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4393
03:02:00,230 --> 03:01:57,040
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4394
03:02:03,180 --> 03:02:00,240
everybody to be safe it's time to fade

4395
03:02:21,050 --> 03:02:03,190
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